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Author: kktkkt Date: Mar 29, 2008 11:53
Peter Flass Yahoo.com> writes:
> kkt wrote:
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>>>In article zipcon.net>, kkt zipcon.net> wrote:
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Author: Dav VandenbrouckeDav Vandenbroucke Date: Mar 29, 2008 13:47
On 29 Mar 2008 19:01:54 GMT, Roger Blake iname10.com>
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>The constitutional purposes of the census are to apportion direct
>taxes and representatives in Congress. It has no other legitimate
>purpose.
This is nonsense twice. There are many federal laws that require you
to do things that aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
You still have to obey the laws.
The decennial census has many legitimate purposes. It's not even
worth arguing about. Every data element is information that some
Federal program requires by statute.
Dav Vandenbroucke
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Author: Greg MenkeGreg Menke Date: Mar 29, 2008 17:34
Dav Vandenbroucke compuserve.com> writes:> On 29 Mar 2008 19:01:54 GMT, Roger Blake iname10.com>
> wrote:
>>>The constitutional purposes of the census are to apportion direct
>>taxes and representatives in Congress. It has no other legitimate
>>purpose.
>
> This is nonsense twice. There are many federal laws that require you
> to do things that aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
> You still have to obey the laws.
>
> The decennial census has many legitimate purposes. It's not even
> worth arguing about. Every data element is information that some
> Federal program requires by statute.
>
Sounds great. Next time one comes around I will respond with the
payment in full of the penalty for not filling in the form. Its
nothing dramatic, I simply don't trust them with the data.
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Date: Mar 29, 2008 19:17
In article moog.netaxs.com>, rogblake10
@iname10.com says...> In article news.individual.net>, krw wrote:>> Not true.
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> The constitutional purposes of the census are to apportion direct
> taxes and representatives in Congress. It has no other legitimate
> purpose. I have not and will not under any circumstances give the
> Census Bureau any information other than number of persons living
> in the household.
Absolute bullshit. Not all laws are enumerated in the Constitution.
You *ARE* required to fill out the census, under penalty of law (and
of course, perjury applies).
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Keith
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Author: kktkkt Date: Mar 30, 2008 00:54
Greg Menke comcast.net> writes:
> Dav Vandenbroucke compuserve.com> writes:>> On 29 Mar 2008 19:01:54 GMT, Roger Blake iname10.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>The constitutional purposes of the census...
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Author: Greg MenkeGreg Menke Date: Mar 30, 2008 05:32
> Greg Menke comcast.net> writes:
>>> Dav Vandenbroucke compuserve.com> writes:>>> On 29 Mar 2008 19:01:54 GMT, Roger Blake iname10.com>
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Author: tobytoby Date: Mar 30, 2008 10:14
On Mar 30, 8:26 am, Roger Blake iname10.com> wrote:> ..
> First, we should resist the encroaching onslaught of socialism.
> Socialistic societies require their governments to keep detailed
> information on the populace; it is one of the earmarks of total
> government. In such a society, government micro-manages and
> macro-manages every facet of life and this cannot be done without
> voluminous amounts of private information. Socialist governments, in
> fulfilling their purpose of wealth redistribution (i.e., plunder),
Wow. Never quite understood how you fellers plan to run a society
without taxes. Seems to me your government is still too big to fit in
the proverbial bathtub. But then, you'll argue it's a "bad
implementation"... The good old free market has left a lot of
Americans in a pickle where socialised medicine, housing, etc might
allow them to live dignified lives. What an unpalatable idea to you
extremists! Good luck to you though, show us how it's supposed to work
some time. Preferably without killing so many of the rest of us in
order to protect your uneven playing field.
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Author: Dav VandenbrouckeDav Vandenbroucke Date: Mar 30, 2008 13:06
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:32:19 -0400, Greg Menke comcast.net>
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>And how well is an organization going to perform that has to re-learn
>data collection every 10 yrs as a matter of bureaucracy vs commercial
>operations that hone their data collection & mining technology
>continuously as a matter of profit?
It would help if you had some idea what you were talking about. If
you think that the Census Bureau collects data only once every ten
years, there's really no point in trying to enlighten you.
>Last time around they asked some people how many toilets they had in the
>house- no way in h3ll.
Why is that bad? It's a key component in measuring inadequate
housing, which in turn is an important part of several grant formulas.
Nobody is going to be personally identified in Census publications or
datasets.
Dav Vandenbroucke
davanden at cox dot net
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Author: Dav VandenbrouckeDav Vandenbroucke Date: Mar 30, 2008 13:09
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:34:43 -0400, Greg Menke comcast.net>
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>Its nothing dramatic, I simply don't trust them with the data.
I trust the Census Bureau more than any other data collection agency I
can think of. They have a mania for maintaining data confidentiality.
Dav Vandenbroucke
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Author: Dav VandenbrouckeDav Vandenbroucke Date: Mar 30, 2008 13:13
On 30 Mar 2008 12:26:30 GMT, Roger Blake iname10.com>
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>Constitution trumps statute.
But the constitution doesn't prohibit any of the Census Bureau's
activities. Nor do your ravings about socialism hold any water. The
decennial census is the bedrock of virtually all the data systems in
the United States. Do you think any private demographic research
could be done if it couldn't be reconciled to census control totals?
Dav Vandenbroucke
davanden at cox dot net
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