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Author: greymausgreymaus
Date: Dec 14, 2006 15:17
On Thu, 14 Dec 06 14:25:53 GMT, jmfbahciv@ aol.com wrote: >>
>>Yes, this is an argument that they do not do what they set out to do
>>*well*, not an argument that they don't know how to do it at all.
>
> They do not know how. Anybody they hire who does know how gets
> squashed. Even Cutler loses these battles. AFICR, Cutler lost
> two battles in his DEC life; one of them was with me and the
> other involved getting him away from VMS development. In a
> micshit working environment, he loses basic coding decisions
> that shouldn't even have been a corporate question.
>
>
Semi-retorical question:
Who is Cutler?.
What was his position in DEC (or even D|I|G|I|T|A|L)..?
What is his position in Microsoft?
I think we have a rough opinion of your opinion of him?
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Author: Eugene MiyaEugene Miya
Date: Dec 14, 2006 13:13
>>>>>> "BF" == Bernd Felsche innovative.iinet.net.au> writes:>> Frankly I'm stumped why IT should be an "industry".
>
>Because people with little clue and less ethical sense found out they
>could make money selling silver bullets to those with no clue and lots
>of money.
That's the problem with language.
The emphasis (object) should be on the selling
and not the silver bullet objects.
But what you say is quite true.
Money stopped being the medium of exchange because of machines.
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Author: Eugene MiyaEugene Miya
Date: Dec 14, 2006 13:10
In article s953.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
aol.com> wrote:>In article innovative.iinet.net.au>,
> Bernd Felsche innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:>>Roger Blake iname10.com> writes:>>>greymaus@gmaildo.tocom wrote:
>>>> Bricks and mortar
>>>> offshore tax havens.
>>>I don't know what this "IT" thing is that the youngsters keep
...
>>>called "Electronic Data Processing" (EDP or just DP).
>>
>>Frankly I'm stumped why IT should be an "industry".
>
>Think about how and why garbage has become an industry.
Nice example Barb.
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Author: Eugene MiyaEugene Miya
Date: Dec 14, 2006 13:08
In article innovative.iinet.net.au>,
Bernd Felsche innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:>Roger Blake iname10.com> writes:>>greymaus@gmaildo.tocom wrote:
>>> Bricks and mortar are stuck in the ground. IT, however, is easily
>>> routed through offshore tax havens.
>
>>I don't know what this "IT" thing is that the youngsters keep
>>harping about. I've spent the last 30 years working in something
>>called "Electronic Data Processing" (EDP or just DP).
I've been at this 30+ years. I think I stopped using EDP/DP when I
stopped reading Datamation about 1980. I think I briefly used it about
1986 again when I was given an introduction to Ross Perot as part of NeXT.
It then became CS [ironically I am having an annual dinner Saturday with
Peter and Dorothy Denning and other friends from that era], now IT, and
a number of other buzzwords and acronyms (IS, service science, etc.).
>Frankly I'm stumped why IT should be an "industry".
I think it's the belief in a service economy.
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Author: Eugene MiyaEugene Miya
Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:57
In article s953.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
aol.com> wrote:>>>>>biz needs is politicians telling developers how to do
>
>Politicians only hear about what doesn't work.
Politicians, like every one else, are in overload and in ways more so.
Politicians reject and don't bother listening to what doesn't work.
They only want to make go-or-no-go decisions of what does work
guided by what they think is their moral compass (whatever that is).
>It is our responsibility
>to make sure that doesn't happen. Politicians won't act until
>there is an uproar. It is their nature to not change.
That's because they represent a conservative industrial age
and agarian majority.
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Author: Eugene MiyaEugene Miya
Date: Dec 14, 2006 12:54
>>>>>>>biz politicians
>>>>>>V-chip
>>>Bricks and mortar
>>>offshore tax havens.
>>
>> Lonely Planet Travel guides just published a book on Micronations.
>> The first is Sealand.
In article greymaus.org>,
wrote:>Just ordered it from Amazon. I would be thinking of places like the
>Baltic republics (now part of the EU), Southern Cyprus, Jersey, and so
>on, even if in great need, Northern Cyprus, the Trans-Dneistrian
>Republic (bring a geiger counter).. and of course .ie.. Anyone in any
>doubt of what is happening in this area can check on the efforts of
>the U.S. Treasury to get these funds back into the U.S.
Well getting back to the earlier travel thread I also picked up 2 new
2006 books:
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Author: Tris OrendorffTris Orendorff
Date: Dec 14, 2006 11:40
nospam@see.signature (Richard E Maine) burped up warm pablum in
news:1hptq9g.ee3jpyhqi1wpN%%nospam@see.signature:
> ....My inference, based on the symptoms,
> was that it was trying to determine the speed of the system, probably to
> tune its timing, but hit a divide-by-zero error when its speed test code
> ran fast enough to give zero elapsed time to the (poor) resolution of
> the PC clock...
This was a problem with Borland's Turbo Pascal v3.0 run-time library, in
the early 80s. I suspect it popped up in their other languages (Turbo C
and Turbo Basic) at the time.
The fix was easy; run a little utility that used up some percentage of the
CPU time.
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Tris Orendorff
[Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use?
A: A purple Hayes.]
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Author: stremlerstremler
Date: Dec 14, 2006 11:06
> In article wjv.com>, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:>>>Computer Repair / Network Setup / Website Projects / Project Management
>>
>>....
>>
>>>Want technicians with combined 20 years of experience to help you?
>>
>>Gawd I hate claims like that. Maybe they have 40 tech that have
>>been using computers for 6 months? I've seen more than one
>>place with many techs that still didn't know their way around.
> Oh, c'mon, Bill. Each one of them paid hundreds of dollars
> for a piece of paper that proves they can find the wall socket
> and may even find the correct plug to push into it...but
> they do have to be 3-pronged...the lesson for what to do
> when there is only 2 holes won't be covered until they buy
> the next certificate.
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Author: Charlie GibbsCharlie Gibbs
Date: Dec 14, 2006 09:43
In article s953.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) writes:
>> They don't produce *good* software, but they most certainly produce
>> software.
>
> Not operating systems. I think the only thing they do produce
> is some of the games.
Windows is the biggest video game ever made. Managers spend more
time pointing and clicking in Windows than they ever did in Doom,
Quake, or the other "official" games. And they have just as much
fun doing it.
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