Yet business schools teach psychology as a way of coping with
the world. Many times, you can't understand your boss without it!

I had a peculiar round-tour of the "psy" fields. When I took physiology,
the first week was neurology and the professor bombarded us with more
readings that the other four professors (cardio, pulmo, renal, digestive). I
hated him for that, but as the field is very much in bloom, I later thanked
him, unfortunately he passed away. I recently met Nobelate Eric Kandel and we
reminisced and he said "Yes, he was like that!"

The next semester I was in business school and took organisational behavior
(and later conflict management) by a professor who was a protoge of (then Scy
State) George Shulz. By and large I continued to accept the business-school
psychology-sociology model and used it in my career. Then a science book club
sent me a book from a prominent professor from my alma mater, Personality
Self_Portrait. A decade after business school it was a revelation! Wow!
That's why so and so did that! Now, I admit, I'm a bioengineer (chemical
engineer, fluid mechanics..), I prefer the HARD science of psychIATRY to
the soft science of psychOLOGY. I can't stand how psychologists and
sociologists keep changing the vocabulary to suit their theories.

I disagree with your message. We are not psychiatrists and this is not
psychiatry. This is a public internet group. We have no business
discussing the psychiatric state of any person in this group. That is
totally inappropriate. I request all such behavior cease immediately.
Olympiada
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

My mom's sister's husband was technical director of the Greek sub base.
Whenever he got the file of a new inductee, he checked if the parents had
different addresses, in which case he tried to pass the new inductee to
another officer. My uncle knew that within the two years he would have that
inductee under his command, he would not be able to turn that person
around. My aunt, who he married, lost her dad when she was three. For her, he
had a lot more time. This is not a cruel person, just a realist. He happens
to be my favorite uncle-in-law and his dad and granpa were priests.

The cruelest thing in modern society is latchkey kids and kids from broken
homes. The psychological scars are immense. I know from my colleagues and
friends. Number one flaw is impulsiveness and inability to control temper. At
least my late dad lost both his folks before age five from natural causes. He
always had this lost look in his eyes. My mom and her seven siblings were
ages 3-23 when the reds killed my granpa and I have like a gallery of orphans
to see how it affected each of them at different ages. (Largely, their
emotional development froze at their age when my granpa was killed.)

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:13:46 +0000 (UTC),
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

Olympiada wrote...

Who is "we?" I see a psychiatry newsgroup, a psychology newsgroup, and
and a sectarian xian newsgroups. Psychiatry is largely based on
psychology but with medically-approved drugs added, and eastern orthodox
xianity as well as all other religious factions are like psychology in
that they're a bunch of bullshit with no basis in science.

As for discussing the psychiatric state of others, well that is what
psychology is all about. It seems that reading a book on Freud or even
watching an episode of Dr. Phil is all it takes to make one...

On 7/4/06 11:59 AM, in article
N7xqg.61714$fb2.47717@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net,
"dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane" lobotomy.com> wrote:

That's not really very accurate to say.

Rick Morris wrote...

You're kinda right, and one a mental health newsgroup there was one
dude who was a strong proponent of completely separating psychiatry
from psychology and merging it with neurology. I agree with his
position, we both suffered drug-induced mental disorders. He
suffered from extreme depression after taking some steroid for a
legitimate medical reason, and was suffering from a manic psychosis
induced by methamphetamine abuse. No medication helped him, though,
while my mania was under control within a week of low-dose
antipsychotic treatment.

On 7/4/06 11:59 AM, in article
N7xqg.61714$fb2.47717@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net,
"dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane" lobotomy.com> wrote:

That's not really very accurate to say.

Psychiatrists are physicians who specialize in mental illness. They are
medically trained in the biomedical approach to disorders and in the use of
medications. Psychiatrists are also trained to conduct psychotherapy. As
part of their evaluation of the patient, psychiatrists may conduct physical
exams, order and interpret lab tests and EKGs, and may order brain imaging
studies such as CT, MRI, and PET scanning. A psychiatrist must evaluate the
patient for any medical problems or diseases that may be the cause of the
mental illness, and therefore a very thorough understanding of basic medical
practices is essential (which is why it is a medical specialty and medical
school completion is required). Modern psychiatrists are also trained in the
psychological sciences and social sciences relevant to studying mental
illness.
Psychology is the study of human behavior and thought processes. Psychology
is as much a field of academic study (like biology or sociology) as a
profession, and as a whole, is concerned with the whole range of everyday
human behavior as much as it is the study of mental illness. Psychologists
obtain a Ph.D. or Psy.D. degree, and not a medical degree.
Clinical psychology is the branch of psychology that specializes in
understanding and helping those experiencing mental distress or behavioral
problems in the clinic and/or community. Clinical psychologists have ...