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Oh, the list I always love. It's more than 10 years old.

The one item on it that I know about in particular
is:

" TENNESSEE

Crossville - Site of WWII German / Italian prison camp is renovated;
completed barracks and behind the camp in the woods is a training
facility with high tight ropes and a rappelling deck. "

It's a 4-H Camp, run by the University of Tennessee Extension
Service.

Here's their website:

http://clydeyork4hcenter.org/index-frameset.htm

Here's an ariel view from Mapquest. Careful, it's real menacing.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Crossville+TN/#a/maps/l:::Crossville:TN::US:35.948898:-85.026901:city:Cumberland+County/m:hyb:9:35.901362:-85.105989:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

And here's some photographs of the "barracks" in the woods.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040310073835/www.utextension.utk.edu/cumberlanddist/Lodging...

And guess what? They advertise a "high level and low level ropes
course".

Their number is (931) 788-2288.

Here's another debunking posted long ago:

From: Robal...@aol.com (Robal...@aol.com)
Subject: LA Area Detention Camps: Debunked!!!
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: 1999/04/17

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com
http://www.konformist.com/1999 /socalcampsa.txt

Robalini's Note: In March, Norio Hayakawa, Aaron Johnson & myself
visited two of these "detention camps" and confirmed what is said
below.

Thanks to Sightings ( http://www.sightings.com ) for the following.

For photos: http://www.sightings.com/ufo2/ campscorr.htm

LA Area Detention Camp Claims Said False
3-13-99

UPDATE - More LA 'Camps' Exposed
From Sonny earth1 communications hughes.net
3-28-99

Mr. Bradleys allegation of a "camp at the 405 and 5 interchange:

This is a large training vacility for the LAPD...repeat: LAPD!!! IT IS
OWNED BY LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENT OF WATER AND POWER IT IS PART OF THE
VAN NORMAN DAM WHICH FEEDS WATER INTO THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY. YOU CAN
TAKE TOURS AND SEE EVERYTHING.....E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G!!

The short 'runway' refered to by Bradley is in fact a mock 4 lane
highway intersection approximately 400 feet long with painted lane
markers and such!
Right next to it is a high speed practice pursuit ralley course.

As you go south on the 405 you can pull over on the fwy and view the
entire field...and most of the time see LAPD cars practicing maneuvers
on the track.

AGAIN, I urge you to investigate this for yourself.

In addition we were again at the Pearblossom site last sunday and
looked with a fine tooth comb ....NOTHING! I REPEAT
N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!

People like Bradley are zealots and have but one agenda and it does
not include the truth.

Lest we not forget than misinformation stories like this could cost
lives if there were to be a political problem, or that some panicked
individual or group goes out and starts shooting at what THEY believe
to be a camp.

The question that is now brought to mind is: HOW MANY OF THE REPORTS
THAT ARE CIRCULATING ON THE NET REGARDING CAMPS AND SUCH ARE LIKE
BRADLEY'S...?

The more we look the more we find...LIES!

Sonny

Fact: Mr. Bradley continues to maintain the inward-pointing barbed
wire strands on the perimeter fences prove his contentions that the
Pearblossom location is a 'camp.'

Fact: Our calls to fencing contractors determined that inward pointed
barbed wire is NOT uncommon. Many companies, in fact, are now having
their wire re-pointed INWARD to prevent LAWSUITS over LIABILITY issues
of INJURY from outward pointing barbed wire. This is ESPECIALLY
desireable when the fence lines are on or very near the edge of the
property line. In our litigious society, many companies have been sued
by people claiming that outward pointing wire has caused them injury.

UPDATE

Note - We have had half a dozen other people go out to the Pearblossom
location and email in reports. None of them, zero, could find anything
to corroborate the information in the original story. ???

From: billingsley
To: west.net>
Subject: Pearblossom Camp
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999

A friend of mine did me a favor and went to the site of the alleged
camp. He reports to me that the only thing there was only a pumping
station used for the California Aquaduct. In addition, he reports that
there was a sign giving a telephone number if someone wanted to
request a tour. This man is a prominent doctor here in the Antelope
Valley so I think he was able to identify what he saw ok ,but maybe it
could be a cover. He reiterated that he saw no guard towers. The
bottom line....we don't know.

Pearblossom NOT A 'Camp'
From Sonny at earth1 communications
Submitted 3-13-99
(posted with photos 3-23-99)

Jeff,

Yesterday our team went to the alleged 'death camp' Pearblossom site
and did a full recon including a 7 mile perimeter sweep.

This location is, in reality, nothing more than a California Aqueduct
pumping station.

The gates are open and regular tours are given...cameras are allowed.

This facility sports a huge 6' high fence, 35 years or older, as the
tops are rusted. In addition, the 'mote' is, in reality, a catch basin
in the event the pump system fails and the water stream cannot be shut
off right away.

The facility pumps water from a low level to a recieving station 1/2
mile away, where the water is re-introduced into the canal and sent on
it's way...

ALL facilities are open to the public there. All gates are open during
regular business hours..

As far as roving patrols...the only ones we saw were rabbits guarding
their food.

Do three strands of rusty barbed wire angled inward make this a
'concentration camp'?
*****
The alleged '2-3 mile facility at 5/405 freeways'?

This is the Van Norman dam ...the lower part was drained in 1971 as a
result of the earthquake.

The facility is used by the LA Department of Water and Power (DWP) and
the LA Police Department. The LAPD uses it as a training vacility
where they have a race course set up to train for high speed chaces as
well as a SWAT training area which includes out buildings and such.

A large building next to the freeway with a semi-curved black roof is
a solar generating plant...as far as guards go, we saw only one city
employee at the entrance gate...

The upper part is the Mullhulland /Van Norman reservoir which contains
water. On the east side of the facility are large pumping units which
supply water to the San Fernando valley.

As far as the area mentioned in Fillmore...why bother? That area is
ALL privately-owned orange tree orchards.

When we have need to go to Ojai, we will inspect that claim of a
'camp' there as well. An additional point: Federal 'detention camps'
will probably be located on Federal land..

Sonny
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Another Debunk Of 'LA Concentration Camps'
From JErkenb...@aol.com
3-28-99

Hi, after seeing the article on your site I will refer you to a
posting I made in newsgroup misc.survivalism at Dejanews address:
http://x11.dejanews.com/=gh/[ST_rn=qs,ST_cam=search.yahoo.none.slot]/getdoc.xp
?AN=457890135&CONTEXT=922602828.1060503677&hitnum=0

I also took some photos, I need to have them scanned if needed. If you
have need of them contact me email. Thanks, great site.

Text:

After seeing the lead-in message about containment camps (and other
rumors of same elswhere), I live close enough to verify one of these
locations, so I did.

I went to the location in Glendale, CA, which I'm long familiar with.
The area is sourounded by upper middle class neighborhoods, backing up
to a pocket of wilderness area where there are more neighborhoods on
the far side of the foothill range. I took the hike up Brand Park,
I've been there many times.

This is a water runoff control area for these foothills. There is a
reservoir there, substantialy filled in with dirt. It is, of course,
sourounded by chain link fence topped by barbed wire, slanted in.
However the fence is only about 5 feet high and old, and not in a
well-maintained condition. Some of the barbed wire supports are
rusted and have fallen away.

I talked to a venerable lifelong citzen of the area, 76 year old
'Charlie'; he hikes around the area frequently collecting cans and
such. He has been aquainted with all of the work crews over many
years. I asked him if he'd ever seen any soldiers or guards in the
area. "NO" was his answer.

I hiked up about a mile and the road becomes a narrow service road,
along which there are a few small work areas of pipes, dried foliage
branches in dumpsters, etc. Nothing that would be in any way construed
as a containment camp. It's not even a feasible area for that. This
area has several small dams for flood control, probably built during
the Depression era.

I also have a lifelong friend that works at the Pearblossom water
pumping plant mentioned in the list and having lived in that area
also, can verify that it is part of the California Aquaduct system.

Seperating fact from fiction will certainly help us to deal with
whatever comes. At least these two elements can be disproved as to the
claims alluded to here.

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