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Author: SteveBSteveB Date: Apr 3, 2008 08:44
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> "NotMe" privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> By independents are you talking owner/operators or independent trucking
>> companies?
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>> My sample is admittedly small (and may not be representative) but none of
>> the owner operators I know personally are seeing any of the surcharge.
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> We use both, but I'm referring to the owner/operator, the guy that pays
> the fuel bill. I'll have to ask them to be sure they are getting the
> money we are paying and not the brokers.
All of mine just say, "Do you want the shipment or don't you? I'm busy."
Steve
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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Apr 3, 2008 08:23
SteveB wrote:
> The local Rip and Gyp has always fascinated me. On Monday, they have
> 10,000 gallons of gas delivered. On Tuesday, there's a war in Outer
> Karsfarkistan, and the price goes up 25 cents a gallon, even though
> the ten thousand gallons in the ground were bought at the pre
> Karsfarkistan War price. But, nonetheless, the price immediately
> goes up a quarter. Now, peace is declared in Outer Karsfarkistan,
> and it still takes three months for the price to ratchet down. A
> little.
> Fascinating. And yet, some clueless morons whine about oil companies
> gouging. They have nothing to do with what the local Rip and Gyp
> charges no matter how cheap they bought the gas.
>
In Economics, this is called "Rocket Up, Feather Down." It is the way
pricing works for commodities.
First, whether the 10,000 gallons is in your tank, the gas station's tank,
or still in the ground in Ickystan, it has a value determined by the market.
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Author: NotMeNotMe Date: Apr 3, 2008 10:04
"Kurt Ullman"
| > > Shippers, not truckers have been applying a surcharge. Little if any
is
| > > getting to the independents.
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| > We use a lot of independents. Every one of them has a fuel surcharge.
So,
| > where is the money.?
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| There was a rather interesting thing on 20/20 or one of the similar
| shows about how the brokers are getting the fuel surcharge and then
| keeping it instead of sending it along to the truckers. Sorta surprised
| no one has sued over that.
Don't file suit and you get the short end of the stick. File suit and get
beaten with the stick (i.e. no jobs)
As to the oil companies maintaining 'it's not our fault' reminds me of many
of the pronouncements of the ENRON bunch.
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Author: NotMeNotMe Date: Apr 3, 2008 10:08
"HeyBub" gmail.com> wrote in message
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| SteveB wrote:
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| > The local Rip and Gyp has always fascinated me. On Monday, they have
| > 10,000 gallons of gas delivered. On Tuesday, there's a war in Outer
| > Karsfarkistan, and the price goes up 25 cents a gallon, even though
| > the ten thousand gallons in the ground were bought at the pre
| > Karsfarkistan War price. But, nonetheless, the price immediately
| > goes up a quarter. Now, peace is declared in Outer Karsfarkistan,
| > and it still takes three months for the price to ratchet down. A
| > little.
| > Fascinating. And yet, some clueless morons whine about oil companies
| > gouging. They have nothing to do with what the local Rip and Gyp
| > charges no matter how cheap they bought the gas.
| >
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| In Economics, this is called "Rocket Up, Feather Down." It is the way
| pricing works for commodities.
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Author: theloneranger100theloneranger100 Date: Apr 3, 2008 14:14
> Oil chiefs say high prices not our fault
>
> By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago
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> WASHINGTON - Don't blame us, oil industry chiefs told a skeptical
> Congress. Top executives of the country's five biggest oil companies
> said Tuesday they know record fuel prices are hurting people, but they
> argued it's not their fault and their huge profits are in line with
> other industries.
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> Appearing before a House committee, the executives were pressed to
> explain why they should continue to get billions of dollars in tax
> breaks when they made $123 billion last year and motorists are paying
> record gasoline prices at the pump.
>
> "On April Fool's Day, the biggest joke of all is being played on
> American families by Big Oil," Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., said, ...
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Author: VRWC Destruction MachineVRWC Destruction Machine Date: Apr 3, 2008 16:41
George Grapman paccbell.net> wrote in crayon...
>SteveB wrote:
>> The oil companies make 8 cents a gallon. Various governments tax it over a
>> dollar a gallon. Do the math, you fucking genius.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
> So why do the companies show record profits?
Record sales, you idiot. If you flipped 50 Burgers on your shift one
day and you flipped a 100 burgers the next day. It stands to reason
your fast food restaurant made more the second day. The reason why you
don't know that you might not have been elevated from the take out
window.
It's a shame your lemonade stand didn't make any profit, Curious
George.
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Author: Edwin PawlowskiEdwin Pawlowski Date: Apr 3, 2008 18:48
"SteveB" henderson.com> wrote in message
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> All of mine just say, "Do you want the shipment or don't you? I'm busy."
>
> Steve
Tim, from the broker we use just told me of a potential customer asking for
a rate and it was $900. They asked if he could do better since Brand X was
only $700. He said, "then use Brand X" The reply, of course, was "but they
don't have any trucks available."
We're in luck most of the time shipping outbound from New England. Rates
are much cheaper than inbound the same distance. Going south to Virginia or
NC I can still get about $1000. Coming north from the same locations it is
about $1800. Comes down to supply and demand as there is not as much
freight moving out as in to the Boston area
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Author: SteveBSteveB Date: Apr 3, 2008 20:01
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> "SteveB" henderson.com> wrote in message
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>> All of mine just say, "Do you want the shipment or don't you? I'm busy."
>>
>> Steve
>
> Tim, from the broker we use just told me of a potential customer asking
> for a rate and it was $900. They asked if he could do better since Brand
> X was only $700. He said, "then use Brand X" The reply, of course, was
> "but they don't have any trucks available."
>
> We're in luck most of the time shipping outbound from New England. Rates
> are much cheaper than inbound the same distance. Going south to Virginia
> or NC I can still get about $1000. Coming north from the same locations
> it is about $1800. Comes down to supply and...
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Author: SteveBSteveB Date: Apr 3, 2008 20:01
"NotMe" privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "HeyBub" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> | SteveB wrote:
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> | > The local Rip and Gyp has always fascinated me. On Monday, they have
> | > 10,000 gallons of gas delivered. On Tuesday, there's a war in Outer
> | > Karsfarkistan, and the price goes up 25 cents a gallon, even though
> | > the ten thousand gallons in the ground were bought at the pre
> | > Karsfarkistan War price. But, nonetheless, the price immediately
> | > goes up a quarter. Now, peace is declared in Outer Karsfarkistan,
> | > and it still takes three months for the price to ratchet down. A
> | > little.
> | > Fascinating. And yet, some clueless morons whine about oil companies
> | > gouging. They have nothing to do with what the local Rip and Gyp
> | > charges no matter how cheap they bought the gas.
> | >
> |
> | In Economics, this is called "Rocket Up, Feather Down." It is the way ...
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Author: VRWC Destruction MachineVRWC Destruction Machine Date: Apr 3, 2008 23:23
Carl Swanson gmail.com> wrote in crayon...
>VRWC Destruction Machine wrote:
>> George Grapman paccbell.net> wrote in crayon...
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>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>> The oil companies make 8 cents a gallon. Various governments tax it over a
>>...
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