>I also like getting an actual paycheck. Yes, direct deposit is more
>efficient, but it lacks the tactile satisfaction.

> In article
> <7a05ed1d-f5d3-4fbc-85e2-30a9e12b5...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> The Weasel yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>> Indiana wanted to thwart the same problems that were found in the 2004
>> Washington gubernatorial election. Who fought AGAINST the law?? The
>> Democrats. Why? Apparently they do not support free and fair
>> elections.

>

>> "State¹s Ex. 3, pp. 4-5, 19 (court findings that in the State of
>> Washington¹s 2004 gubernatorial elections more than 1,600 fraudulently
>> cast ballots, including 19 ballots cast by dead voters, six double
>> votes, and 77 votes unaccounted for on the registration rolls)"

>

>>http://www.insd.uscourts.gov/opinions/ao6340o1.pdf

>
> And this is relevant to Indiana how, exactly? In the recently decided
> SCOTUS case on the Indiana voter-ID law, the defendants presented _no_
> evidence that people were impersonating registered voters, which is the ...

> Bob Ward wrote:
>

>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 12:52:16 -0500, darkon gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>

>>>It's the not knowing that worries me.  I don't know how far someone
>>>can go once they have a birth certificate.  Identity theft sounds
>>>like a nightmare: companies coming after you for money and you with
>>>almost no way to prove your innocence.

>

>> That's not how the system is supposed to work Theoretically, at least,
>> you are innocent until proven guilty.  Why should it be necessary to
>> prove your innocence?

>
> Because the question probably won't be a criminal one, but civil,
> where there are various presumptions and 51%% more likely tips the
> scales of justice. Or even less if they just demand you pay them
> even though it's not your account. But even assuming it doesn't end ...

> On May 6, 7:37 pm, "D.F. Manno" mail.com> wrote:

>>
>> The Weasel yahoo.com> wrote:
>>

>>> Indiana wanted to thwart the same problems that were found in the 2004
>>> Washington gubernatorial election. Who fought AGAINST the law?? The
>>> Democrats. Why? Apparently they do not support free and fair
>>> elections.

>>> "State

>On May 6, 7:37 pm, "D.F. Manno" mail.com> wrote:

>> In article
>> <7a05ed1d-f5d3-4fbc-85e2-30a9e12b5...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>> The Weasel yahoo.com> wrote...

>
> "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
> yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4820B27E.9215172E@yahoo.co.uk...

>>
>>
>> "Richard R. Hershberger" wrote:

>>>
>>> On May 6, 1:13 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the
>>> frontal attack' )" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>>> dilbert firestorm wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> Paul Ciszek wrote:

>>>>>> The article goes on to explain that in order to get any of these
>>>>>> things,
>>>>>> you have to already HAVE a valid ID.

>>>>

>>>>> from what I'm reading, the implementation of the id card is truly
>>>>> fucked up. ...

>
> On May 6, 3:32 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique allusion in lieu of the
> frontal attack' )" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> Bob Ward wrote:
>>

>>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 12:52:16 -0500, darkon gmail.com>
>>> wrote:

>>

>>>>It's the not knowing that worries me. I don't know how far someone
>>>>can go once they have a birth certificate. Identity theft sounds
>>>>like a nightmare: companies coming after you for money and you with
>>>>almost no way to prove your innocence.

>>

>>> That's not how the system is supposed to work Theoretically, at least,
>>> you are innocent until proven guilty. Why should it be necessary to
>>> prove your innocence?

>>
>> Because the question probably won't be a criminal one, but civil,
>> where there are various presumptions and 51%% more likely tips the ...

>>

>I don't know how often he has to get bank accounts open. How often
>does he have to open his safety deposit box? Isn't this really an
>issue of needing ID, not a voting issue?

>
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 01:26:48 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'the oblique
> allusion in lieu of the frontal attack' )"
> yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>

>>>

>>I don't know how often he has to get bank accounts open. How often
>>does he have to open his safety deposit box? Isn't this really an
>>issue of needing ID, not a voting issue?

>
> Apparently not. The bank wasn't named in the suit.
>