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Author: Que BarbaraQue Barbara Date: Nov 30, 2007 11:33
Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being disputed
which word is original/ correct.)
The other day I started reading a P.D. James novel, "Murder Room." In
this book, Dagliesh (the detective charged with solving the murder)
visits a museum dedicated to the "interwar years [of] 1919-1939." The
museum has some manuscripts, newspapers and paintings from that era;
and at one point Dagliesh comes under the spell of a Paul Nash print
of Passchendaele. The painting is described as depicting the
"horrors, the futility and the pain, fixed in the bodies of those
unknown, ungainly dead."
[Side note: there is a short but informative bio of Paul Nash here:]
http://tinyurl.com/33f7px
After he leaves, Dagliesh reflects on "Those inter-war years in which
England, her memory seared by the horrors of Flanders and a generation
lost, had stumbled through near dishounour to confront and overcome a
greater danger, had been two decades of extraordinary social change
and diversity.
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Author: Jim BeaverJim Beaver Date: Nov 30, 2007 11:46
> Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being disputed
> which word is original/ correct.)
>
> The other day I started reading a P.D. James novel, "Murder Room." In
> this book, Dagliesh (the detective charged with solving the murder)
> visits a museum dedicated to the "interwar years [of] 1919-1939." The
> museum has some manuscripts, newspapers and paintings from that era;
> and at one point Dagliesh comes under the spell of a Paul Nash print
> of Passchendaele. The painting is described as depicting the
> "horrors, the futility and the pain, fixed in the bodies of those
> unknown, ungainly dead."
>
> [Side note: there is a short but informative bio of Paul Nash here:]
> http://tinyurl.com/33f7px
>
> After he leaves, Dagliesh reflects on "Those inter-war years in which
> England, her memory seared by the horrors of Flanders and a generation
> lost, had stumbled through near dishounour to confront and overcome a ...
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Author: Pierre JelencPierre Jelenc Date: Nov 30, 2007 11:50
Que Barbara gmail.com> writes:>
> I believe I have parsed everything in the sentence except the phrase
> "stumbled through near dishounour." Is James referring to
> Chamberlain's failed policy of appeasement?
Yes.
Pierre
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Author: SanoSano Date: Nov 30, 2007 13:19
> I believe I have parsed everything in the sentence except the phrase
> "stumbled through near dishounour." Is James referring to
> Chamberlain's failed policy of appeasement?
And the antiwar sentiment that it included and encompassed.
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Author: Les AlbertLes Albert Date: Nov 30, 2007 13:32
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:33:57 -0800 (PST), Que Barbara
gmail.com> wrote:
>Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being disputed
>which word is original/ correct.)
>The other day I started reading a P.D. James novel, "Murder Room." In
>this book, Dagliesh (the...
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Date: Nov 30, 2007 14:51
Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.Lanc@ gmail.com) wrote: > On Nov 30, 2:19 pm, Opus the Penguin wrote:
>> Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.L...@ gmail.com) wrote:
>> >>> Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being
>>> disputed which word is original/ correct.)
>>
>> It may still be disputed, but apparently only because the
>> "grow"ers are unaware that their position has been refuted. Here
>> is an image of a signed, handwritten copy submitted to Punch
>> magazine in 1915:
>
> That's all well and good, but you didn't answer the question that
> was asked. Please read through the essay question before you
> begin. Jim, Pierre, et. al.: A+. You, big nose, get to stay in
> at recess and give me an essay on "Reading Comprehension."
>
READING COMPREHENSION
by Opus T. Penguin
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Author: VeroniqueVeronique Date: Nov 30, 2007 15:21
On Nov 30, 2:23 pm, Que Barbara gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 30, 2:19 pm, Opus the Penguin gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.L...@ gmail.com) wrote: >>> Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being
>>> disputed which word is original/ correct.)
>
>> It may still be disputed, but apparently only because the "grow"ers
>> are unaware that their position has been refuted. Here is an image
>> of a signed, handwritten copy submitted to Punch magazine in 1915:
>
> That's all well and good, but you didn't answer the question that was
> asked. Please read through the essay question before you begin. Jim,
> Pierre, et. al.: A+. You, big nose, get to stay in at recess and give
> me an essay on "Reading Comprehension."
I think it's because the fuse box has loosened.
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Author: John DeanJohn Dean Date: Nov 30, 2007 15:26
Que Barbara wrote:
> Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being disputed
> which word is original/ correct.)
I'd bet the confusion arose because both words are used in the poem.
According to the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations (who take some trouble to
get it right and I quote here from the 5th edition so people had lotsa
chances to change it if it was wrong) the first line is:
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
and the penultimate line is
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
>
> I believe I have parsed everything in the sentence except the phrase
> "stumbled through near dishounour." Is James referring to
> Chamberlain's failed policy of appeasement?
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Date: Nov 30, 2007 19:12
Opus the Penguin wrote:
>
> Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.Lanc@ gmail.com) wrote: >> On Nov 30, 2:19 pm, Opus the Penguin wrote:
>>> Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.L...@ gmail.com) wrote:
>>> >>>> Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being
>>>> disputed which word is original/ correct.)
>>>
>>> It may still be disputed, but apparently only because the
>>> "grow"ers are unaware that their position has been refuted. Here
>>> is an image of a signed, handwritten copy submitted to Punch
>>> magazine in 1915:
>>
>> That's all well and good, but you didn't answer the question that
>> was asked. Please read through the essay question before you
>> begin. Jim, Pierre, et. al.: A+. You, big nose, get to stay in
>> at recess and give me an essay on "Reading Comprehension."
>>
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Date: Nov 30, 2007 20:02
Bill Turlock wrote:
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> Opus the Penguin wrote:
>>
>> Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.Lanc@ gmail.com) wrote: >>> On Nov 30, 2:19 pm, Opus the Penguin wrote:
>>>> Que Barbara (Que.Barbara.L...@ gmail.com) wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Where poppies blow, or grow. (Apparently it is still being
>>>>> disputed which word is original/ correct.)
>>>>
>>>> It may still be disputed, but apparently only because the
>>>> "grow"ers are unaware that their position has been refuted. Here
>>>> is an image of a signed, handwritten copy submitted to Punch
>>>> magazine in 1915:
>>>
>>> That's all well and good, but you didn't answer the question that
>>> was asked. Please read through the essay question before you
>>> begin. Jim, Pierre, et. al.: A+. You, big nose, get to stay in
>>> at recess and give me an essay on "Reading Comprehension." ...
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