Kent Wills wrote:
> "forevernitefan"
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> news:<1171746950.074123.29260@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>...
>
> [various snips for brevity]
>
>>>>> Well BL has been crowing about his " exclusive" interview ( on DVD no
>>>> less) with the Vatican exorcist for over three years now so it's not
>>>> unlikely that the producers altered their "hero" to that of a Jesuit.
>>>
>>> It would make for better TV (which equals better ratings, which in
> turn
>>> equals more revenue) than the life of a has-been scam artist from
> Nebraska.
>>
>> True. The general public usually thinks of exorcists in terms of the
>> movie, which usually means to them an exorcist is a Catholic priest.
>> Larson would not fit that stereotype, which in turn means the series
>> would not sell well.
>
> Getting a show to warrant a pilot is difficult. Getting beyond that is
> even harder.
> Litteraly THOUSANDS of show ideas are pitched each year (I know someone in
> the business, though not well enough to get me my own Prime Time show :) ).
> At best, a hundred or so get serious consideration. Fewer get a pilot. A
> an minisule number ever make it to a series.
Yeah I did hear that was about the case with new pilot proposals. It
was one of the many reasons why I was so skeptical about KSIC-O's
boastings about the show. Odds are that if it even went to the point
of startng filming, it's such a high risk venture that the producers
would have changed BL's stories to a more CYA-level.
>
>>>
>>>> I do find it interesting however that this little blurb makes no claim
>>>> to be totally based on BL's life. Seems the circumstances changed. :-D
>>>
>>> If the Powers That Be did a check of Lar$on, they know what a fraud
> he
>>> was and probably is. They may not want to openly associate with such a
>>> person.
>>
>> The publicity generated from Larson's stink would be a big discredit
>> to the producers. It would be a career sinkhole. They could find it
>> hard to do any more TV series.
>
> Associating with a washed-up scam artist like Lar$on would hurt their
> careers a great deal.
Agreed.
>
> [...]
>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe he's done that once or twice but in all honesty he USES the
>>>> delusional people. If you've seen his unbiblical " exorcisms" on his
>>>> Skyangel show or on his dvds he whores,
>>>
>>> I've seen a few on TV. They looked nothing like what real excorsits
>>> have described.
>>
>> Agreed. Reading Malachi Martin's book ( which I did while still in
>> high school), the exorcism and " possession" aspects both exhibit very
>> distinct patterns. Larson's over-dramatic version of an " exorcism"
>> doesn't even resemble the Protestant versions of exorcism.
>
> Back in '93 or '94 I bought a cassette collection of Lar$on's (four
> cassettes, as I recall) about exorcism. One delt with the very basics of
> how to perform an excorsism. Sadly, the tapes have long been lost, so I
> don't have them for a proper comparison, but as I best I can recall, what he
> shows on TV isn't what he said was to be done on the tape.
> I've never even see him holding a cross (which he stated is to be used as a
> symbol of Jesus' authority over the demon) in any of the shows I've caught.
Of the few shows I bother to see on Skyangel, I have yet to see
Larson show a cross. He uses what he claims is the Bible as a shield
and a sword, but no crucifix. It does go into your idea tha he is
demon-possessed if he for whatever reason does not wield the cross.
>
>>While I do
>> believe in the existence of spirit beings and even some can be
>> malicious, I have a helluva hard time believing the so- caled " demon
>> posession" that Larson and his ilk claim are anything honestly
>> paramornal.
>
> I believe people can be possesed. Further, I believe Lar$on is one of
> those people.
Possible, but IMO Larson is more of a psycopath and doesn't need to be
"posessed" as an explanation for the bad he does. I've heard that
that pastor of the BTK killer's church claims that Dennis Rader is
demon possessed, and yet in all that time since Rader did his
killings and basically abused his govermental authority, he attended
that church, even became one of the leaders of that church. Presumably
if teh pastor and so forth were spirtually-minded people they would
have felt that " demon" in Rader. I just don't buy the " demon
posession" excuse. Like I siad it's possible that evil entities "
possess" but in BL's case I seriously doubt it. Why look for
supernatural evil when human-based evil does just as well? Also if BL
had demons, wouldn't they be after you, me, Wayne and Ken by now?.
> Observations about Lar$on's demonic behavior aside, an excorsim takes a lot
> of time. While some can be removed in the course of an evening, this is the
> exception. Odd that EVERY ONE of the ones Lar$on has shown all ended before
> the time limit on the conference hall ended.
Agreed. the accounts I have read about exorcisms, particularly the
Christian ones, takes days, even weeks to do. But what do you expect
from aguy who for years did " live on air" " exorcisms" by phone, with
commercial breaks?
>
>> They seem more often than not human mental anguish,
>> withthe alleged " demons" not saying anything outside the range of
>> normal human perception.
>
> I always liked the FCC compliant demons on the radio show. I never once
> heard any dead air, which would indicate the panic button was pressed, when
> they were on. Odd that.
Most of his "demonic' callers", quite frankly, acted moronic, what
fundy Christians expect " demons" to act. Actually I do remember an
occasion or two when BL put in some dead air during a caller, probably
for profanity. Though that does come to mind the question of if he was
so focused on prayer and fighting this' " demon" how could he have the
time to push the panic button? Notto mention how the "demon" neevr
hanged up the phone.
>
> [...]
>
>>>
>>> But if he fails to refer them to a mental health profesional, he
>>> *could* find himself in some trouble. While I don't know that he could
>>> ultimately be found criminaly and/or civily liable for anything they do,
> he
>>> would have to pay out some money to defend himself. You know he's not
> going
>>> to want to do that. And someone must have warned him of this
> possiblity.
>>
>> Maybe so. Itoculd be, like when he had all his employees sign
>> confdentiality agreements, that he has anyone attending his
>> conferences and apearances agree beforehand to not hold him liable.
>
> If so, it's new since he was last in Iowa (over 10 years ago, so it's more
> than possible). When I attended I didn't have to sign anything. Of course,
> I wasn't there all that long.
>
>> He is walking a fine line with his prey. If any of them wised up
>> enough to realize they have been used, they might sue. The part about
>> him whoring the "exorcisms' on DVD was another aspect for him to be
>> sued. As you pointed out, Larson makes efforst to cover his own butt
>> legally, so I wouldn't doubt that Opposum Eyes has some legal docuents
>> for his prey to sign afterwards so he can go ahead with the
>> expoitation.
>
> Presumably he has to have some sort of consent to air the videos of the
> "excorsisms" on TV. Who knows what all in containd within the consend form?
> Odds are we aren't going to find out.
Well if someone FAKED being demon posessed, then revealed it
here.......
>
> [...]
>
>>>
>>> Having read some excerpts of an original rough draft, I must agree.
>>> Yes, a rough draft is a rough draft, but UGH!
>>
>> Sheesh try reasing " Senator's Agenda"!
>
> When I visit the used book stores, I make a point to look out for it. To
> date I've not seen a single copy.
BL's "fiction" usually can be found on Ebay. Some of it seems to be
republished in a publishing house I don't recognize, probably a
vanity press. I occasionally will find a Christian fiction book I
might want to read at one of those donation resale shops.
>
>
>> If THAT was the final product
>> the rough draft of that must have stunk worse than a pissed off
>> skunk. I couldn't believe how badly written that book was-- and it was
>> published.
>
> Lar$on's writting skills are poor. That's why he used ghost writters for
> the other books.
Supposedly he wrote " Shock Talk". I haven't read that one yet, but I
wouldn't be suprised if that is dreck as well.
>
>>>
>>>> From what I understand about the
>>>> entertainment business, such so-called "true life" dramas have to be
>>>> fictionalized to spice it up. They probably realized that contrary to
>>>> Larson's boasts about himself, he really isn't a good writer, not even
>>>> a passable one. The melodrama he spews out may sound fine in a
>>>> fundraising letter but it is dreck to the secular world.
>>>
>>> I'd be AMAZED if he actually wrote his fund raising begs... er...
>>> letters.
>>
>> He could be recycling the old BLM begs.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised.
>
>> Writing a begathon letter is
>> a bit different than writing a novel, although still creative. A novel
>> has to be coherent and believable throughout while a begathon letter
>> only needs to be overdramatic and feel a sense of urgency and " you
>> can help us". All BL has to do is find beg letters form his fellow
>> televangelists and rewrite parts to suit his spiel.
>
> I recall an Infomercial that did this. The original stared an Asian man
> who said, "We were so poor we couldn't afford medicine for my mom. She got
> so ill, she died."
> The other guy changed mom to Grandma. That was it in that line.
> I'll see if I can find the story on-line, and if so, I'll post a link.
> It's kind of funny, in a sad way.
>
> [...]
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, considering KSIC-O's boasts about how great BL's shows will
>>>> be and how KSIC-O has recently been so interested in yours truly, I
>>>> think ol' Opposum Eyes wants me to be his next Glen Benton-- without
>>>> the risk of me actually showing up.
>>>
>>> Or the bad "singing" voice :-)
>>> I have nothing against Glen personaly. I don't think I've even
> heard
>>> one of his songs. I do know I don't like Death Metal, so odds are good
> I
>>> wouldn't like his music.
>>
>> I can't stomach " death metal". To me its noice and growling sounds,
>> nothing coherent. The only heavly metal bands I do like comes way back
>> up to the mid eighties. I'm more into RUSH when it comes to the rock
>> music.
>
> I can handle some REO Speedwagon (though that's not really rock), but for
> everyday music, I like the bubblegum, Britney Spears type music. I'm very
> much a Top 40 kind of guy.
> Of course, I also like Gershwin, Clanad (with and without Enya), Cusco, and
> a few others.
>
> [...]
>
>>
>> More likely the " praise god" bits were focused on BL's fame and
>> notice in the secular world. It's pretty blatantly self-serving and
>> boastful. In a way it's pathetic how KSIC-O cheers on BL like some
>> lackey while Larson still remains in obscurity. KSIC-O's boasts some
>> time ago about all the Larson appearances and interviews pretty much
>> fizzled out. Heck the National Exmainer piece looked a lot like a PR
>> release than anything actually substantial. If KSIC-O was a naive
>> follower of Larson, he would have jumped atthe chance to rub itin my
>> face with deatils of the local charitable works of BLM and SFC. His
>> silence on that point speaks volumes.
I've suspected KSIC-O was BL himself for years. If he was a BL- adorer
he would have gone to a Yahoo chat room with me as I requested to "
cast out my demons" on voice chat. That was my first clue. The second
was KSIC-O's obsessive focus on Ken Smith. His recent focus on me was
after the C2C show. Before then he dismissed me as a "little missy".
His recent attempt to get my log books was too phony. The excuse that
he wanted them for historical archival purposes doesn't gel with him
wanting only ONE of the log books and not settling for them being
typewritten. If he wanted archival he would have accepted all four
typewritten scanned copies. His attempt was so badly-done and so
obvious that he must have deluded himself into thinking I was too dumb
to see what he was doing.
>
> Hey, KSIC-o! Which was the lie? When you claimed you aren't Bobby E.
> Larson, or when you claimed you are? Both can not be true, so one MUST be a
> lie. I'm curious as to which one is the lie.
>
Maybe its an alter perosnality.....
>>
>>
>>> Hey, KSIC-o! Here's a lucky break for you. We're leaving for Aruba
> in
>>> the morning, so you can make any bogus claims you like knowing it will
> be at
>>> least a week before I can even see them (unless I get bored and check
> Google
>>> [1]), let alone chose whether I want to invest the time checking them.
>
> And I gave him a few extra days as well. Bummer that he's gone off to hide
> again.
>
I'm not suprised, actually. KSIC-O never stays for the long run. He
does about a week or so posts then hides for a bit. It wouldn't
suprise me that KSIC-O's hiding patters coincide with something in his
real life.
> [...]
>
>
>>>
>>>> I might watch an episode Unless it interferes with Smallville, of
> course.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen an episode in a LONG time. The last one I saw had
> some
>>> guy freezing everyone so that he could pretend like High School never
> ended.
>>
>> That was about the third or fourth season. All five seasons are out on
>> DVD now. Currently the sixth season is airing. Supposedly there will
>> be one or two more seasons before the series should shut down. After
>> all Tom Welling started starring in Smallville while he was 26 when
>> the character was supposedly in high school. The guy's a good actor
>> but his real age is showing.
>
> I don't doubt it.
> I lost interest in the show. I don't even know if the CW airs on our
> satalitte package. The WB did, but I've not checked for CW. Since
> Smallville was the only WB show I ever watched, and I stopped a long time
> ago, I never cared to look.
>
> [...]
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, I've been thinking. When the Sun Cult suicides happened,
>>>> Larson was upset that none of the news media called him about the cult
>>>> ( not that he knew anything about it at that time, which I bet he
>>>> didn't). He wanted to be seen as this expert, this authority on cults.
>>>> And KSIC-O and Snicker's bits about " go to Bob for slavation"
>>>
>>> Which PROVED that niether (presuming they weren't the same person)
> were
>>> Christians. One should NEVER go to a man, no matter how great anyone
> may
>>> think he is, for salvation. We are to go to *JESUS* for salvation.
> Lar$on
>>> can't do a thing for us, save for pointing us to Jesus. It's all anyone
> can
>>> do.
>>
>> Yeah, I've heard that from various Christian authors and private
>> evangelical and fundy Christians who seem sincere and well-versed in
>> their faith. Snickers and KSIC-O's " go to Bob" bits struck me, in the
>> Christian view of things, as LArsonelevating himslef as if he was the
>> messiah. A false Christ, I think the term is.
>
> A wolf in sheep's clothing is another term.
>
>> And I think I remember
>> there is something in the New Testament warning followers of Jesus
>> Christ to stay away from peopelteahcingthem a different gospel, making
>> them stray away from the path. I just though the LACK of mentioning
>> Jesus Christ or the Bible was worthy of note.
>>
>
> An accurate observation on your part. Seriously.
>
> [...]
>
>>>
>>> Narsisim at its finest.
>>> My honest hope is that KSIC-o and Snickers were writting poorly and
> not
>>> suggesting that Lar$on was/is able to grant salvation. If they did/do
> think
>>> Lar$on can grant such, then there are far more serious problems. Lar$on
>>> could be heading towards a Messiah Complex.
>>
>> If he is thinking he is the messiah, I'll be waiting to see him rise
>> from the dead and prove it.
>
> I'd like to see him turn water into wine. If he can do that, I might have
> him stop over at the next party. While neither Lin nor I consume alcohol,
> we have friends that enjoy a glass of wine every now and then. :)
>
>> From what I understand with all the
>> meissah and savior myths, usually those who are savior types show
>> remarkable miraculous feats while in life.
>
> They wouldn't be much of a savior if all they could do was pull a rabit out
> of a hat. Heck, Bulwinkle T. Moose was able to do similar :)
>
> [...]
>
> --
> Kent
> Be carefull what you wish for. You might just get it.
