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Author: cicadacicada Date: Jul 12, 2008 22:03
What's the difference between 'referee' and 'umpire'. In my 1st
langugae, it's just one word for both.
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Author: georgehgeorgeh Date: Jul 12, 2008 22:25
On Jul 12, 4:03 pm, cicada gmail.com> wrote:> What's the difference between 'referee' and 'umpire'. In my 1st
> language, it's just one word for both.
In sports with both, the umpire outranks the referee.
GFH
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Author: Peter Duncanson (BrE)Peter Duncanson (BrE) Date: Jul 12, 2008 22:48
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:25:16 -0700 (PDT), georgeh@ ankerstein.org
wrote:
>On Jul 12, 4:03 pm, cicada gmail.com> wrote:>> What's the difference between 'referee' and 'umpire'. In my 1st
>> language, it's just one word for both.
>
>In sports with both, the umpire outranks the referee.
>
Unless the sport is tennis. The umpire is an on-court official.
The referee is called in to adjudicate on difficult situations.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
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Author: HVSHVS Date: Jul 12, 2008 22:59
On 12 Jul 2008, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:25:16 -0700 (PDT), georgeh@ ankerstein.org
> wrote:
> >> On Jul 12, 4:03
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Author: Raymond O'HaraRaymond O'Hara Date: Jul 13, 2008 00:17
ankerstein.org> wrote in message
news:0a148ca6-dc93-4c3d-bf71-78d5c4298d5d@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 12, 4:03 pm, cicada gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the difference between 'referee' and 'umpire'. In my 1st
> language, it's just one word for both.
In sports with both, the umpire outranks the referee.
GFH
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In American football the referee is the head of the crew of officials and
outranks the umpire and the various judges.
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Author: Robert LieblichRobert Lieblich Date: Jul 13, 2008 01:20
Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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> In American football the referee is the head of the crew of officials and
> outranks the umpire and the various judges.
Just to confuse everything, until about 20 years ago the official who
handled bankruptcy cases in US courts was the referee, whose actions
were reviewable by the US district judges, i.e., the "real" judges.
The title originated in a quite literal application of the term -- the
court referred bankruptcy cases to the referee to conduct proceedings
and make recommendations.
Now that anyone who conducts adversary proceedings is a judge of one
kind or another (in the US anyway), referees are offically "bankruptcy
judges." This is even more confusing than many another retitling to
"judge," because in bankruptcy practice until maybe 30 years ago the
district judge, when presiding over a bankruptcy case, was called the
bankruptcy judge. Newbie lawyers researching old bankruptcy cases can
and often do trip over this shift in usage.
Hell, everyone's a "judge" now. Even *I* used to be one -- and
several posters to this group and AUE won't let me forget it.
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Author: cicadacicada Date: Jul 14, 2008 23:16
From reading your email, it seems to me there is no rule on this and
it really depends on individual games.
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Author: Raymond O'HaraRaymond O'Hara Date: Jul 15, 2008 00:13
> From reading your email, it seems to me there is no rule on this and
> it really depends on individual games.
That would be correct.
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Author: mmmm Date: Jul 15, 2008 04:52
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:16:29 -0700 (PDT), cicada gmail.com>
wrote:
>From reading your email, it seems to me there is no rule on this and
>it really depends on individual games.
To whom does "your" refer? Your post shows in my reader as
left-justified, in reply to yourself maybe, but not to anyone else.
If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)
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Author: cicadacicada Date: Jul 15, 2008 07:14
On Jul 14, 10:52 pm, mm bigfoot.com> wrote:> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:16:29 -0700 (PDT), cicada gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>From reading your email, it seems to me there is no rule on this and
>>it really depends on individual games.
>
> To whom does "your" refer? Your post shows in my reader as
> left-justified, in reply to yourself maybe, but not to anyone else.
>
> If you are inclined to email me
> for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)
I meant to say 'from reading everyone's email...'
Thanks for getting back to me.
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