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Author: PalindromePalindrome Date: Feb 20, 2008 21:51
Clint Sharp wrote:
> In message fe08.news.easynews.com>, Palindrome
> privacy.net> writes>> It is possible to intercept digital cellphone traffic, but decrypting
>> it, without cloning the phone's key (which needs physical access to
>> the phone) is rather more difficult than tapping a landline.
> Umm, sorry, nil points and misleading, you are MI5 and I claim my 5 pounds.
>
> There are off air intercept systems available to people with the right
> credentials and/or money that can decrypt the data real time. The system
> manufacturers (Ericsson spring to mind for some reason ;-)) offer
> intercept systems although I suspect you'd need to be very definitely
> government/law enforcement to get one legally.
>
> Best of all carrying a powered cell phone can locate you to under 100
> metres depending on the number of cells that can 'see' you and a few
> other factors (terrain, buildings etc.) It's been trialed and tested for
> emergency services use in London with good results but then disappeared
> without much discussion, wonder why that was!
> ...
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Author: BernieBernie Date: Feb 20, 2008 22:32
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:48:52 +0000, Clint Sharp wrote:
> In message , Bernie
> writes
>>VM are now doing fibre optic deals - quite cheap, cheaper than coax - atm.
>>You get broadband and phone for less than 20/mnth.
>>Let's see your "friends" tap into that :-)
> Is it fibre to the home though? I thought it was just fibre to the
> street cabinet and then coax to the home?
>>
>>
Well I had a word with VM about this over the phone (twisted pair -
*cough*) and they told me it was fibre optic into the house. I was
thinking of having it installed myself but for different reasons but
like you say it may be twisted cable on the last leg, these ntl
call centre lackies don't know their arse from their elbow. You'd have to
pursue it further for a definitive answer.
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Author: Michael A. TerrellMichael A. Terrell Date: Feb 21, 2008 03:41
Clint Sharp wrote:
>
> In message fe08.news.easynews.com>, Palindrome
> privacy.net> writes>>It is possible to intercept digital cellphone traffic, but decrypting
>>it, without cloning the phone's key (which needs physical access to the
>>phone) is rather more difficult than tapping a landline.
> Umm, sorry, nil points and misleading, you are MI5 and I claim my 5
> pounds.
>
> There are off air intercept systems available to people with the right
> credentials and/or money that can decrypt the data real time. The system
> manufacturers (Ericsson spring to mind for some reason ;-)) offer
> intercept systems although I suspect you'd need to be very definitely
> government/law enforcement to get one legally.
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Author: Ivor JonesIvor Jones Date: Feb 21, 2008 13:42
"Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:47BCE4EA.1D90B715@earthlink.net
[snip]
: : Or wait for one to turn up at a government auction.
: : I picked up a complete 911 phone logging system and all
: : the 10.5" reels of tape for next to nothing. I sold
: : the recorders to a company that owned thousands of pay
: : phones to use when there was a court ordered tap on one
: : of their phones.
Is that likely in the UK..?
Ivor
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Author: FoxtrotFoxtrot Date: Feb 21, 2008 15:30
On Tue 19 Feb 2008 16:24:04, Palindrome privacy.net> wrote:
> Foxtrot wrote:
>> I have never been a conspiracy theorist but I suspect that a
>> particular group of people may try to tap my landline.
>>
>> I am in the UK and access to my phone wires is quite easy...
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Author: FoxtrotFoxtrot Date: Feb 21, 2008 15:55
On Tue 19 Feb 2008 22:28:02, Palindrome privacy.net> wrote:
> The scope of this thread was the suspected tapping of a landline
> phone going to a flat. Generally extremely easy to do, needing
> little expertise or expensive equipment. The suggestion was to use
> a mobile phone - which, as the OP is in the uk, means a phone with
> an encrypted digital data stream. Intercepting that would need a
> great deal of expertise - it would be far easier to resort to other
> methods, eg eavesdrop on the sound signals in the room(s).
What you post makes a lot of sense but incoming callers may be disuaded
from ringing a mobile on account of the costs.
Similarly, long outgoing calls will be probitively expensive for me from
a mobile.
I'm not familiar with VOIP but could I use VOIP and set up an encrypted
link between me and the VOIP provider? Access to a VOIP server seems to
me much harder than access to a manhole cover in the street.
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Author: FoxtrotFoxtrot Date: Feb 21, 2008 16:04
On Tue 19 Feb 2008 16:45:36, Floyd L. Davidson apaflo.com> wrote:
> Foxtrot wrote:
>> [...]
>
> Let me give you some advice... but first you need also
> to know what my qualifications are to provide that
> advice: I worked in the telecommunications...
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Author: FoxtrotFoxtrot Date: Feb 21, 2008 16:14
On Wed 20 Feb 2008 20:39:10, Ron Lowe
wrote:
> "Foxtrot" wrote in message
> news:Xns9A49A0904EF5601A4D@127.0.0.1...>>I have never been a conspiracy theorist but I suspect that a
>>particular
>> group of people may try to...
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Author: StuartStuart Date: Feb 21, 2008 16:42
> "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net> wrote in
> message news:47BCE4EA.1D90B715@earthlink.net > [snip]
> : : Or wait for one to turn up at a government auction.
> : : I picked up a complete 911 phone logging system and all
> : : the 10.5" reels of tape for next to nothing. I sold
> : : the recorders to a company that owned thousands of pay
> : : phones to use when there was a court ordered tap on one
> : : of their phones.
> Is that likely in the UK..?
No.
I have often wandered around "Government surplus" depots and there is
usually electronic test gear - old scopes, multimeters that kind of stuff,
spare parts for landrovers and small trucks, usually lots of clothing.
Tools, picks, shovels, empty ammunition boxes....but nothing quite like
that.
See http://www.anchorsupplies.com/
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Author: PalindromePalindrome Date: Feb 21, 2008 16:48
Stuart wrote:
>> "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net> wrote in
>> message news:47BCE4EA.1D90B715@earthlink.net >
>> [snip]
>
>> : : Or wait for one to turn up at a government auction.
>> : : I picked up a complete 911 phone logging system and all
>> : : the 10.5" reels of tape for next to nothing. I sold
>> : : the recorders to a company that owned thousands of pay
>> : : phones to use when there was a court ordered tap on one
>> : : of their phones.
>
>> Is that likely in the UK..?
>
> No. ...
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