On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:43:22 -0700, "Titix"
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>news:qnh184dsvoubl7fplt2qi3nidu2bpli143@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:13:49 -0700, "Titix"
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>> wrote:>>>"Patriot Games"
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>>>news:lktu74dc1r0kqekvsdqktk8fscj684vphl@4ax.com...>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:28 -0700, "Titix"
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>>>> wrote:>>>>>"Dennis"
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>>>>>news:xZydncl_IaIflOPVnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>>> IBD EDITORIAL FROM NCPA
>>>>>> HEAD: GM NEEDS TO LOSE ITS HEAVY LOAD
>>>>>As usual you only post crap from the business mogul side. GM is in the
>>>red
>>>>>because of several reasons, not labor at all. 1. Poor management.
>>>> Sme as labor. GM should have disbanded, shedding the unions, and
>>>> started a new company without union labor costs.
>>>They better do it fast, because once the people that care about Americans
>>>take over, the unions will have equal say as do the corporations.
>> You mean once SOCIALISM comes to America.....
>> Don't count on it.
>Your Fascism is on the way out buddy, we had unions before and they will
>come again, you can count on it.
Keep dreaming.... 87%% of American workers are NOT unionized... This
is down from a high of almost 40%%... Its over. Unions are finished.
>>>Where is your patriotism? Traitor like the rest that went to communist
>>>China.
>> Where is MY patriotism? Since I don't write Legislation MY patriotism
>> is where its always been.
>Yah, you probably never had any. You don't seem to mind seeing the country
>going down the tube.
America is doing fine. Not great, but fine.
>> Once we as a Nation made the switch to a global ecomony every company
>> had to compete globally or fail.
>That's one of the lousiest excuse I've ever heard. Multi-national
>corporations don't have loyalty to any country, all they exist for is money.
So? The ENTIRE PURPOSE of being in business is to MAKE A PROFIT.
>Who
>came up with this globalization? Corporations. There are many countries that
>are not Communist and have cheap labor. How come they didn't go there?
We did. We have manufacturing (and even some assembly) in nearly EVERY
Third World country on the planet.
>> Use your brain. Trust me this is simple. 70%% of the population is
>> ALREADY paying for their own healthcare. 30%% is not because they
>> CAN'T AFFORD IT. So if the 70%% have to pay for their own healthcare
>> AND PAY FOR THE 30%% then the 70%% will PAY MORE.
>I'm not disputing how many in the population are paying for their
>healthcare.
>What I don't like to see is 47 million Americans without healthcare.
Nobody likes it. But liking it is irrelevant.
>The middle men is what's killing the healthcare in this country. They should
>do away with them. That's why one payers system is the way to go.
I happen to agree with that.
>> GM will have to PAY MORE. How? Because they will have to INCREASE
>> retirement payments to compensate for the increase in their retiree
>> expenses!
>> Duh...
So, recapping, GM will pay MORE not LESS if we go to a single-payer
universal healthcare system...
>> You missed the point. High mileage cars have been available.
>> Americans CHOSE NOT to buy them.
>The high mileage cars they produced in those day were junk.
Some were, most weren't.
>People want to by Hybrid cars now, but most people can't afford them.
So you're blaming Honda, Toyota and Nissan now? I thought you were
blaming GM?
>>>> GM isn't in trouble because tens of million of people are buying
>>>> somebody else's cars.
>>>> GM is in trouble because tens of million of people AREN'T BUYING
>>>> ANYBODY'S CARS - because of high gas prices.
>>>And why do we have high gas prices?
>> Because Demand has been steadily increasing and Supply has been
>> decreasing.
>Yes, and that's very convinient for the oil people. And they're making a
>killing!!
>>>Why haven't we diversified our dependence
>>>on fuel?
>> Because cars don't burn coal.
>Because they don't want to. And forget about coal. We can make electricity
>with
>wind and solar. We can make cars that run with electricity. All you'd need
>is gas
>stations or should I say Stations with plug ups.
That's a great but it does nothing today.
>>>And there is technology to have cars that go over 80 mpg, why it
>>>hasn't been produced for marketing?
>> Because Americans have already proven they don't want to buy those
>> cars.
>Times have changed and cars that run without gasoline have changed.
And they are availabe AND Americans aren't buying them....
>>>We need better leaders, people with sight for the future.
>> What you really mean is you want Communist Leaders who will FORCE
>> PEOPLE to buy different cars.
>Here you go again, this kind of mentality is what got us in the mess we're
>in.
>If we don't change soon, we won't be able to drive and our economy will go
>kaputo. No body is going to be told what to buy or drive, but we will have
>to
>change from depending on fossil fuel. That crap of bringing up Communism
>is the tactic of the rightards. If any body is for communism in this country
>it is
>the right wingers. They are the ones that went to China to become buddies,
>so the corporations can get that cheap labor. Nixon and Kissinger, remember
>them?
I remember this: "we had unions before and they will come again, you
can count on it."
>>>Obama is the man.
>> I agree he's most likely a man.
>> But he refused to release his medical records.
>> He refused to release his birth certificate.
>> And he's already been caught lying about being raised a Muslim.
>> So we really know nothing about him.....
>> And that's DANGEROUS.
>All propaganda from the right.
Propoganda?
Feel free to CITE his REAL birth certificate.....
Feel free to CITE his JUST ONE PAGE of REAL medical records.....
