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Author: DennisDennis Date: Jul 25, 2008 03:47
EDITORIAL FROM WALL STREET JOURNAL
HEAD: Democrats Against Drilling
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and other liberal leaders on Capitol Hill are
gripped by cold-sweat terror. If they permit a vote on offshore drilling,
they know they will lose when Blue Dogs and oil-patch Democrats defect to
the GOP position of increasing domestic energy production. So the last
failsafe is to shut down Congress.
Majority Leader Reid has decided that deliberation is too taxing for "the
world's greatest deliberative body." This week he cut off serious energy
amendments to his antispeculation bill. Then Senate Appropriations baron
Robert Byrd abruptly canceled a bill markup planned for today where
Republicans intended to press the issue. Mr. Byrd's counterpart in the
House, David Obey, is enforcing a similar lockdown. Speaker Pelosi says she
won't allow even a debate before Congress's August recess begins in eight
days.
She and Mr. Reid are cornered by substance. The upward pressure on oil
prices is caused by rising world-wide consumption and limited growth in
supplies. Yet at least 65%% of America's undiscovered, recoverable oil, and
40%% of its natural gas, is hostage to the Congressional drilling moratorium.
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Author: Claude HopperClaude Hopper Date: Jul 25, 2008 19:00
Dennis wrote:
> EDITORIAL FROM WALL STREET JOURNAL
>
> HEAD: Democrats Against Drilling
>
>
> Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and other liberal leaders on Capitol Hill are
> gripped by cold-sweat terror. If they permit a vote on offshore
> drilling, they know they will lose when Blue Dogs and oil-patch
> Democrats defect to the GOP position of increasing domestic energy
> production. So the last failsafe is to shut down Congress.
>
> Majority Leader Reid has decided that deliberation is too taxing for
> "the world's greatest deliberative body." This week he cut off serious
> energy amendments to his antispeculation bill. Then Senate
> Appropriations baron Robert Byrd abruptly canceled a bill markup planned
> for today where Republicans intended to press the issue. Mr. Byrd's
> counterpart in the House, David Obey, is enforcing a similar lockdown.
> Speaker Pelosi says she won't allow even a debate before Congress's
> August recess begins in eight days. ...
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Author: DennisDennis Date: Jul 25, 2008 19:04
"Claude Hopper" roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> Dennis wrote:
>> EDITORIAL FROM WALL STREET JOURNAL
>>
>> HEAD: Democrats Against Drilling
>>
>>
>> Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and other liberal leaders on Capitol Hill are
>> gripped by cold-sweat terror. If they permit a vote on offshore drilling,
>> they know they will lose when Blue Dogs and oil-patch Democrats defect to
>> the GOP position of increasing domestic energy production. So the last
>> failsafe is to shut down Congress.
>>
>> Majority Leader Reid has decided that deliberation is too taxing for "the
>> world's greatest deliberative body." This week he cut off serious energy
>> amendments to his antispeculation bill. Then Senate Appropriations baron
>> Robert Byrd abruptly canceled a bill markup planned for today where
>> Republicans intended to press the issue. Mr. Byrd's counterpart in the
>> House, David Obey, is enforcing a similar lockdown. Speaker Pelosi says ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 26, 2008 15:37
Dennis wrote:
>> The problem is: Drilling has been denied for 20+ years as has
>> refinery permits, LNG terminsls, dam building, tidal power, nuclear
>> power, clean coal and every other fukking energy supply line. They are
>> just continuing their past policy of starving Americans from energy
>> and it's finally catching up. Environmental fukkheads have caused this
>> mess.
> ******
> Yep, you've called it, all right.
The devil is in the details. It was cheaper and easier to control
pollution expanding the refineries we already have. There's a string of
them on refinery alley from New Orleans to Baton Rouge, where its easy
to bring in a tanker.
It was also cheaper to buy off the local niggers as the cancer rate
rose. Nobody wants to build a refinery that risks lawsuits from rich
white people. The Democrats had nothing to do with this.
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Author: DennisDennis Date: Jul 26, 2008 19:28
> Dennis wrote:
>>> The problem is: Drilling has been denied for 20+ years as has refinery
>>> permits, LNG terminsls, dam building, tidal power, nuclear power, clean
>>> coal and every other fukking energy supply line. They are just
>>> continuing their past policy of starving Americans from energy and it's
>>> finally catching up. Environmental fukkheads have caused this mess.
>> ******
>> Yep, you've called it, all right.
> The devil is in the details. It was cheaper and easier to control
> pollution expanding the refineries we already have. There's a string of
> them on refinery alley from New Orleans to Baton Rouge, where its easy to
> bring in a tanker.
>
> It was also cheaper to buy off the local niggers as the cancer rate rose.
> Nobody wants to build a refinery that risks lawsuits from rich white
> people. The Democrats had nothing to do with this.
>
> In like manner, the insurance costs now that we have a war on terrorism ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 27, 2008 07:49
Dennis wrote:
> If you are aiming your pejoratives at me, I agree with your overall
> assessments. However, to deny America the chance to expand its
> availability of recoverable oil is, at this time strictly, on the Dems.
Its too late for that. Let me try to be more clear. The Asian economies
have all expanded rapidly during the Bush years, partly because of his
tax cuts which left more money for investment.
Which, however, was invested in Asia, not America. The demand for oil
there has shot up so fast that whatever oil we can drill now wont be a
significant portion of the global demand. So, it wont lower the price.
I dont think it wouldda mattered whether the Dems or GOP has been
running things with the Asian economies expanding so fast. Partly it is
just China regaining the importance it has had over the course of the
last few thousand years.
The Commies did us a favor holding back the Chinese economy so long, but
with that lid off, their traditional entrepreneurialism is taking off,
and they will more than consume all the extra oil any remaining US oil
fields mite have. The price will keep going up anyway, or- growth in the
global economy will have to stop. Which freaks some investors out.
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Author: DennisDennis Date: Jul 27, 2008 08:31
> Dennis wrote:
>> If you are aiming your pejoratives at me, I agree with your overall
>> assessments. However, to deny America the chance to expand its
>> availability of recoverable oil is, at this time strictly, on the Dems.
> Its too late for that. Let me try to be more clear. The Asian economies
> have all expanded rapidly during the Bush years, partly because of his tax
> cuts which left more money for investment.
>
> Which, however, was invested in Asia, not America. The demand for oil
> there has shot up so fast that whatever oil we can drill now wont be a
> significant portion of the global demand. So, it wont lower the price.
>
> I dont think it wouldda mattered whether the Dems or GOP has been running
> things with the Asian economies expanding so fast. Partly it is just China
> regaining the importance it has had over the course of the last few
> thousand years.
>
> The Commies did us a favor holding back the Chinese economy so long, but ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 28, 2008 02:27
Dennis wrote:
> I don't deny any of what you write. My contention is that to do nothing
> now about expanding our pool of petro resources, even if just for the
> short term, is negligent at best and criminal at worst. I agree we need
> to be developing alternates to petro, but the enviro-whackos who seem to
> think we can do either/or are impediments to doing both.
There's expansion going on in my neck of Ozark woods right now; the
Fayetteville shale gas field, already provides 1%% of the national demand
for natural gas. But here again, even with a well on every 20 acres,
it'll take 100 years to get it all out.
The big easy and cheap to drill wells have all been sucked out.
There is the natural response of capitalism, that as the price rises the
consumption goes down. And if they can manage that without financial
panic ramping down energy consumption we'll get the time and motivation
to develop more energy supplies.
and get the investment in innovation which American culture has so often
profited from. Its the risk of that can do American entrepreneurial
success that is limiting some of the oil speculation. The more we push
that envelope, the more worried we can make the bastards.
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