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>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>> In article , Mowe Z. Slowley
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>>>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>>>> In article , Mowe Z. Slowley
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>>>>>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>>>>>> In article , Mowe Z. Slowley
>>>>>>> TreeEnt.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>>>>>>>> In article , Mowe Z. Slowley
>>>>>>>>> TreeEnt.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> In article <4l9Ah.65885$Y6.46650@edtnps89>, Mowe Z. Slowley
>>>>>>>>>>> TreeEnt.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Mowe Z. Slowley
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TreeEnt.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max Grrl wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Mowe Z. Slowley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TreeEnt.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max Grrl wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W-e-l-l-l-l-l, to an extent, that is. "With one of mine, I can

>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of yours as I want" old joke aside, in the Bible, men were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have several wives merely for the fact that one man can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impregnate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But really, hitting on us in the grocery store check-out line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do much to make us think that you're more than "cannon

>> fodder."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It just perpetuates the old "He wants it more than she" kinda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all actuality, we like it just as much as you guys

>> do,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more. You know . . . the whole "multiple orgasms thing? ; )

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, about that multiple orgasm thing...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I can reliably assist in reproducing that effect on command,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't that get me some brownie points? Like, just one good

>> one

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be nice for me... And I'm happy to get mine after you...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, it would be nice to share the moment, but that takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiarity and practice, and it isn't /always/ practical...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know what an amazing orgasm a devoted lover can bring me. I

>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an ambition to always offer (and deliver) as good as I get, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideally, I'd like to deliver it before getting my own. Sort of,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'eat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your vegetables before dessert' kinda thing (is there a pun in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there??). It just seems the natural order of things, you know

>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, "ladies first" in that regard is *NEVER* a problem! : )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My hubby is such a doofus - he's the best lover you could ever

>> ask

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet on our first date, he made a comment about sex (he's got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very dry sense of humor and a very sarcastic wit): If a man and

>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start at the same time, and the woman doesn't get hers, well,

>> she

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I almost walked out. I'm glad I didn't. : )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damn! I forgot! You are hitched!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep. : )

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to avoid flirting with married women as a rule..

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? It makes for good practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though I have to say, you certainly don't fucking need it. : )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I *wasn't* married . . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> mmmmmmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IC - Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I sure fucking need something.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And self service isn't quite getting me there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahhh well.

>>>>>>>>>>> Pfft. A guy that sweet talks as well as you do "needing" something?
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can I make a guess though? From the way you post, I'd say that
>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet and introverted - meaning more reflective and laid back
>>>>>>>>>>> rather than impulsive and EXtroverted . . . have you tried going
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere you don't usually? Something on the "fringe" of your
>>>>>>>>>>> typical
>>>>>>>>>>> haunts? You know . . . say, for the sake of the argument, you like
>>>>>>>>>>> jazz . . . try taking a trip to a local blues joint and see who's
>>>>>>>>>>> there? You'd get to have fun and at the same time, maybe meet a cool
>>>>>>>>>>> chick you can introduce to jazz . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe, the next time you're at a party, *don't* wait to see if
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> chick is checking *you* out . . . just go up to one and introduce
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself. Check out her clothes - you can figure out a lot about a
>>>>>>>>>>> woman's clothes . . . if she's wearing something pink and frilly,
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> can get the idea that she's the "I like a man to take charge" kinda
>>>>>>>>>>> chick. Then you can just put on your brightest, most reassuring
>>>>>>>>>>> smile
>>>>>>>>>>> and talk to her . . . if she's wearing black, chances are, she's
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> of the "I like to take charge" kinda girl . . . and usually a bit
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> "open" - she's gonna see you on a level playing field and you can be
>>>>>>>>>>> take-charge enough to challenge her a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But again, I really get the vibe that you're one of those ultra laid
>>>>>>>>>>> back kinda guys . . . don't be so laid back and introverted . . .
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> OUT there. Do something that you've always wanted to do but didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> think you should - chances are, you'll meet someone exactly like
>>>>>>>>>>> *you*
>>>>>>>>>>> and have fun, to boot!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ((((hugs))))
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, if you're ever feeling the need to practice flirting, feel
>>>>>>>>>>> free.
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>> I like it and you're *GREAT* at it! : )
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ohh wow. I hope that was as good for you as it was for me.
>>>>>>>>>> Your advice is well taken and I shall implement it within the next
>>>>>>>>>> few weeks. Needs must be taken care of first. And my art, too;
>>>>>>>>>> beckons me, but it is in fact the display method I best use in
>>>>>>>>>> courtship, and shall be brought to bear as you have suggested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But your assessment is as cutting and true to the core as Mr. Me was
>>>>>>>>>> those many months ago before I began the dieting and exercise
>>>>>>>>>> regimens which have benefited me so much. Usenet is changing my life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I shall be referring to your wonderful advice for particulars at
>>>>>>>>>> such time as I begin the 'process', you can be sure of that as well.

>>>>>>>>> LOL, was that honest or clever sarcasm?! : )

>>>>>>>> I dislike clever sarcasm and never practice it.

>>>>>>> I didn't think you did . . . but really, you were SO nice that I did
>>>>>>> entertain the slightest suspicion. : )

>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I'm sure tis what you've already thought of, done and just
>>>>>>>>> didn't like . . . I was just speaking from a wee bit of experience .
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> . though, to be honest, since I've always been commitment-shy, I did
>>>>>>>>> it to find new friends in new towns - and it's always worked. If it
>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the "club" idea, I would have never gotten into Nina
>>>>>>>>> Simone.
>>>>>>>>> And that would have been a real shame. : )

>>>>>>>> I cherish advice that is unconditional and free under normal
>>>>>>>> circumstance. Coming from a clear headed and undoubtedly beautiful
>>>>>>>> female only makes it all the more precious. That it concerns the
>>>>>>>> nature of one of the most enduring and vexing conundrums of male
>>>>>>>> existence makes it invaluable in the extreme.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just want to see you happy. : )

>>>>>>>>> But do not lose heart, Sir Knight, your damsel is tied to a tree and
>>>>>>>>> *waiting* for you to come and rescue her. You will slay the fierce
>>>>>>>>> dragon, mightily and handily whip the craven evil knight and escape
>>>>>>>>> henceforth with said lovely damsel on back of your yonder fiery-hooved
>>>>>>>>> steed! You will marry (or at least shack up for a while), and she
>>>>>>>>> shall
>>>>>>>>> clean your castle, wash thy undergarments, and service thy needs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I say, so shall it become. : )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For some reason, the image of you as a gallant sir knight just
>>>>>>>>> *really*
>>>>>>>>> seems to fit. : )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (((hugs)))
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> May the power of thy manifestations conjure my destiny.

>>>>>>> Oh, it *is* destiny. Fueled by *your* power more than any I might have.
>>>>>>> : )
>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh yeah, I know the juice in my tank come from my end of the
>>>>>> universe; but every little bit helps and when I thunder across the
>>>>>> sky at mach eight I'm giving thanks for it all.

>>>>> Um, fiery hooved steeds don't GO mach eight. See below.
>>>>>

>>>> the speed of magic is not measured by this world.

>>> *sigh*
>>> I am but a mere mortal lost in the mortal coil of life.
>>>

>> Such is the dichotomy of physical life.

>
> Every time a bone creaks, I know that well. : )

>>> You, my friend, are a mythical being - a giant shrugging the weight of
>>> the world, a leprechaun granting wishes, a chimera, rising from the
>>> ashes. : )
>>>

>> Mythical to you perhaps, but provider of Purina (long hair formula)
>> and grooming to SnoWhite. Dreamer of treasures perhaps, yet striving
>> to rise above trucking and achieve LPIC level 1 status.

>
> Oooh . . . what's LPIC?? Care to share?

>>> Your speed may nor be measured by such as I, but mine is. : )

>> We must each measure our own speed of ecstatic transport. As we
>> orbit through the multiverse we sometimes come in fleeting contact
>> with each other, such precious things are shared. The we careen away
>> again under the influence of the things we orbit around. Our wills
>> are but a minor player in the lela of our lives.

>
> Again, I am not the intellectual you are - but I think I understood
> most of that. : )
>

> Each person directly affects the lives of others - even those they have
> never met. Liken it to the commercials I see all the time . . . about
> kindness being contagious . . you do a nice thing for someone and they
> in return do a nicety for someone else. And so on, and so on. But of
> course, that's mere kindness - it's not nearly as grand as actually
> *connecting* with someone.
>
> Like I think we have done. : )

>>>>> Call yourself a "modern" man all you like, but I don't see you as
>>>>> embracing a sexless, sterile-emotioned world - I see you as a hopeless
>>>>> romantic, gentleman, and overall renaissance man. : )
>>>>>

>>>> I don't believe in a sexless sterile world.
>>>> (That would be a sad place indeed.)

>>> Do you see an alternative? I think that may very well be where our
>>> world ends - a sterile, sexless, emotionless sea.
>>>

>> Your perspective is an unfortunate artifact of the culture you are
>> immersed in. Think of Michael, who lives the 'Life of Reilly' on the
>> smaller islands up the coast north of here. He has a cabin, a
>> woodstove, a dog, and an outhouse. In a forested area, with a lonely
>> beach. It is a drive of some distance through relative wilderness to
>> the nearest store.

>
> As long as he has a modem and can talk on usenet, right?
>

> *sigh*
> I think that people like Michael will be a minority. I think that
> people are too easily swayed by what is easy and offers immediate
> gratification. Plus, we are animals driven by phobias, both internal
> and external . . . internal, such as claustrophobia, external such as
> disease, STDs, AIDS, the like, death, and getting "hurt."
>

> As long as we fear those things - things we really can't control, we
> will be driven to the existence I mentioned . . . sexless (no STDs or
> AIDs), sterile (afraid of disease - I mean, look at how many
> "anti-bacterial products there are on the marker. You can't get away
> from them), emotionless - provides too many opportunities to get hurt.
> And emotions aren't conducive to getting what YOU want NOW. They get in
> the way. If you sit in front of a TV all day, ordering things online,
> you've removed the human element. We do that all the time and it's more
> convenient and we don't even notice the injury.

>>> How often do you get to work with your hands? When was the last time
>>> the average person built a, say, coffee table (not to mention, that in
>>> the long ago past, there really were no such things - they were
>>> frivolities) with his bare hands, sweat and heart?

>> I play music with my hands.

>
> I've actually been blessed in that area . . . I'm a graphic artist and
> I've never forgotten my artistic roots. I screenprint for fun, do
> amateur photography (B&W - it seems more . . . honest, than color),
> and blockprint. I don't paint as much as I used to, tho . . . I might
> have to go back to that. But also I LOVE refinishing and restoring
> antiques!! My favorite acquisition is an old farm table - it's got old
> stains and gouges on it. I didn't remove those, I just laquered over
> them. I liked how . . . used and loved it was, and wanted to keep it
> that way. Kind of a homage to the family before mine's dinners,
> conversations, etc. Just the love that surrounded it and permeated the
> wood.
>

> I have a particular weakness for love . . . mainly because I don't
> really feel love, as a condition of my condition. I DO love my kids,
> and I love my hubby as much as I can . . . but I know that it's not
> love like others talk about. : (

>>> The answer is probably never: We go to IKEA or Rooms To Go and buy one
>>> made in a factory, constructed of "wood-like" materials. That's one
>>> step further from earthiness and sweat than we were, say 100 years ago.
>>>

>> Here you are. Your cultural environment.

>
> Not just mine, though. It's everywhere. At least everywhere that I can
> see. : (

>>> If you want a meal, what is it likely that you'll do for it? Go to
>>> Mickey Dee's or Sonic's Drive-In. It used to be a once-in-a-while thing
>>> when we were kids (or at least when I was) and now, it's common place.
>>> Several of our friends eat take-out at least 3 times a week.
>>>

>> The markets are getting more and more advanced. It is probably
>> almost as economical to eat take-out as it is to cook at home in
>> your area. I am considering learning how to make my own tofu and
>> soya milk from the raw soybeans, so that I may be more prepared for
>> the move out to the Crib when I get my chance.

>
> I didn't used to be into cooking . . . but since moving near our best
> friends, who incidentally is an "organic" cordon bleu chef, I've begun
> haunting the organic aisles at our grocery store (Publix - they offer
> more organic options that anyone else within a 50 mile radius). But I
> sometimes forego the organic options for my favorite dishes - paella
> and medianoches (Cuban sandwiches with sweeter bread than the
> traditional Cubanos), Black Beans and rice, etc.
>
> Cuban fare (which we LOVE) is not something that lends itself to
> organic food, but we make concessions to organic where we can. : )

>> My own hydro-electric plant attached to the waterfall 30 yards from
>> my house site, and a prospector's 99 year land lease in the outback
>> of Van Isl.

>
> I'll have to look up Van Isl . . . : )

>
> Would be so kind as to tell me more about your paradise? : )

>>> When was the last time that you spoke to a customer service rep and
>>> sensed any warmth or real human element? Nowadays, most *people* are
>>> replaced by automated voice answering systems . . .
>>>

>> I had a nice chat with the insurance rep when my car was ripped off
>> last week. She surprised me when she informed me my unspecified
>> perils rider included theft.

>
> But now, with most insurance agencies, you can file a claim online - no
> human needed. Our ins co is still in the "dark ages" in that respect
> (no online filing) and that's probably the biggest reason we still use
> them. It's *nice* to be able to talk to a live human being. And
> nowadays, with most things, it's so RARE.
>
> I usually pay the bulk of our bills online. Most companies actually
> penalize you if you don't. And I am usually in too big of a hurry to
> actually call and make our payments . . . so I'm guilty of the same
> thing I'm accusing society. : /

>>> How about kids? Most kids are more interested in playing computer
>>> games, not playing a pick-up game of B-ball in the driveway . . . no
>>> human interaction whatsoever there.
>>>

>> In many ways, this is a blessing that needs to be properly managed.

>
> If I had a nickel for every time that I've shoved my son out the door,
> forcing him, almost, to ride his bike, play with other kids, or play
> B-ball (we bought him a pro grade hoop for Christmas - because he
> wanted one - but he doesn't use it) . . .
>

> My girlie, OTOH is content to read, play with other kids, or do sports
> . . . video games are nowhere near being the center of her life.
> She's like me. : )

> My son is like his dad. He loves sitting in front of the boob tube,
> vegging out and watching other people live life.

>>> We're so used to having things done *for* us - often with little to no
>>> human contact. I can definitely see a sexless, sterile, emotionless
>>> world in our near future . . .

>> Buck up, girl. Father Sol is still warm. Every drink of fresh water
>> reminds you of Mother Gaia's love. There are flowers somewhere near
>> your home?

>
> Only the ones in the house . . . I have a garden but I keep it where I
> can see it (small, on our balcony). Outside, not so much . . . I'm
> forgetful and I've lost countless number of plants because of it. We
> get such droughts here, that you HAVE to water them twice a day even in
> winter. I'd rather not have them at all, than have them and kill them.
> : /
>
> I have a herb garden that I'm obsessive about, tho. Nearly every herb
> you can think of. And in many cases, the ones that I use most often in
> cooking, I have three of each. : )
> To me, herbs are useful more so than flowers. And many herbs flower,
> too.

>>>> At least not one inhabited by moi in his current form.
>>>> If I were a crystalline entity, perhaps.

>>> Don't speak too soon . . . it's happening. Even as we speak. : (

>> The darkforces will always fail. Such is the nature of the universe.

>
> And then we start over . . . but in that adaptive stage, there'll be
> suffering. I'm concerned about future grandkids.

>>>> But I am Water, and Carbon, and Free Oxygen.
>>>> I like a warm fuzzy world, preferably with tons of hugs and
>>>> snuggles. Until such time as a human woman enters mine, my music, my
>>>> friends, my kitty, my daughter and granddaughter will keep my heart
>>>> warm.

>>> Same here. : )
>>>
>>> I like your world better than mine. : )

>> Poverty sucks.
>> I have precious little economic leeway in my life, dear.

>
> Well, I grew up the proverbial little rich kid . . . and I was lonely,
> bored and overall miserable. My parents were essentially "career
> people" and I spent quite a bit of time on my own or at school (until
> HS, where I *demanded* that I be allowed to go to public school).
>
> I never had anything in common with my peers. I didn't care for mind
> games, or the "social" activities that I was supposed to obsess over.
> The peers I had were little more than mindless snot factories, obsessed
> with how much daddy was going to leave them when they died, what
> so-and-so wore to what occasion, and who was going to be the richest
> when the world ended.
>
> I ended up spending more time with the "help" or with the "poor" kids.
> They were fucking *people* - they gave a shit about other people and
> the world around them. They were far more honest, kind, intelligent,
> and worth the air they breathed.
>
> Even today, it's all about "appearances" - how you dress, what you say,
> who you're with . . . mindless bullshit. I'm usually on the fringes of
> what's acceptable - and I usually get away with it based on my being an
> artist. Being an artist gives you carte blanche to be different (you
> oughta see how I dress - think urban DC, LOL) and to have codes of
> conduct that others wouldn't agree with. If I weren't an artist and
> "special" that way, I probably would've shot myself years ago.
>
> And ftr, being a psychopath . . . well, that would NEVER be acceptable
> in the circles I'm forced to dwell in. Alcoholism, yes. Cocaine, yep.
> Depression, you betcha. Greed, of course. Hell, those are social badges
> of courage. Otherwise, no.
>
> So would I choose a world were I could be accepted for who I am, yes.
> With all I've said, I like your world better. Much better. Yours has
> more freedom and quality of life.
>

>>>>> You know, a renaissance man struggling in a sterile world, bringing joy
>>>>> and chivalry to all he surveils. Armed only with his gentle (though
>>>>> clever) wit, a winning smile, an open heart, and a blazing fast modem
>>>>> connection. : )
>>>>>

>>>> yas, and an ISP that still doesn't know what a legal poast is.
>>>> Blazing fast or not, they are going to get their peepee wacked.

>>> Oooh, what do you mean???

>> Got netkkkoped over a crosspost to alt.sailing.asa
>> my ISP is still trying to justify the kneejerk scolding they gave me
>> on the strength of the SanFransisco ISP's referral without checking
>> the content of the poast.

>
> Who net.kkkopped you???? You of ALL people? What kind of a fucking
> shithead did you inadvertently insult with your overabundance of
> intelligence???
>
> Care to share a name? : )

>> I am in the process of making them eat their words.

>
> Good for you!! At the risk of sounding like a nut, I hope you
> disembowel them with their own words.

>>>> Don't ever loose touch with me. You are a Unicorn in my world.

>>>
>>> LOL, only *you* would call me a unicorn. : )
>>>

>> I am going to have sweet dreams tonight, my child.
>> Legend shall take the myst of light, and one breath butterfly the
>> star...

>
> Shouldn't you be x-posting to a poetry group? : )
>
> A hopeless romantic, you. : )
> I love it! : )

>>> And because of you and a very few others, I plan on staying here until
>>> I'm net.kkkopped or dead. : )

>>
>> No dying. Not allowed.
>>

>
> Enh, psychopaths commit suicide far more than any other "mentally ill"
> group. We're susceptible to depression, taking inordinate risks,
> overall self-destruction (for example, I smoke far more than I should,
> LOL. Despite that, I continually pass "stress tests" far more than my
> peers who DON'T smoke. Most doctors can't even tell that I've been
> smoking for the past 20 years).
>

> Female psychopaths are usually self-destructive in that they are
> extremely sexually promiscuous and prone to hard drug abuse. I have at
> least, avoided that bullet. : )
>

> But in the end, it is what it is.
> *shrugs*
>
> But I appreciate your sentiment. : )
>

>>> You're more than worth it. : )
>>>

>> So sweet you are, I can almost smell your hair...

>
> Coconut and Hibiscus for hair, cottonwood for body wash.
> Did you guess correctly? : )
>