On 19 okt, 07:09, Cycle Surfer
cyclesurfer.com> wrote:> On Sep 21, 2:22 pm, sobriquet
yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 21 sep, 19:44, Cycle Surfer
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>>> On Sep 21, 12:06 am, sobriquet
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>>>> On 21 sep, 01:12, Cycle Surfer
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>>>>> On Sep 20, 1:26 pm, MobiusDick
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>>>>>> On Sep 20, 12:59 pm, Cycle Surfer
cyclesurfer.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 11:06 am, "Goemon"
yahoo.com.au> wrote:>
>>>>>>>> "Cycle Surfer"
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>>>>>>>>>> MobiusDick
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>>>>>>>>> Your a IDIOT. There is no such thing as Marijuana Withdrawl.
>>>>>>>>> Marijuana is not addictive physically AT ALL.
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>>>>>>>> Wow. Let me guess, you can give up anytime you want, but not right now as
>>>>>>>> you have a lot of stress to deal with - what with all the shouting
>>>>>>>> meaningless crap you have to do without any help. Have another cone and
>>>>>>>> chill. You clearly need it.
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>>>>>>>> G
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>>>>>>> Griffiths' analysis shows as little as one cup of coffee can cause an
>>>>>>> addiction, and withdrawal from caffeine produces any of five clusters
>>>>>>> of symptoms in some people:
>>>>>>> Headache, the most common symptom, which affects at least of 50
>>>>>>> percent of people in caffeine withdrawal
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>>>>>>> Fatigue or drowsiness
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>>>>>>> "Unhappy" mood, depression, or irritability
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>>>>>>> Difficulty concentrating
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>>>>>>> Flu-like symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, muscle pain, and
>>>>>>> stiffness.
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>>>>>>> Cafine Withdrawl is 10 times worse thant THE USE GOVERNMENT SAYS
>>>>>>> MARIJUANA WITHDRAWL IS IN ITS STUDY ON MARINOL FOR WITHDRAWL
>>>>>>> SYMPTOMS.
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>>>>>>> ONE MORE POINT FOR EITHER OUTLAWING COFFEE OR LEGALIZING MARIJUANA.
>>>>>>> CAN YOU STOP COFFEE AND SODA ANY TIME YOU WANT? IF NOT YOUR A DRUG
>>>>>>> ADDICT! Stopping Coffee is 10 times harder than stopping smoking.
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>>>>>>> CAFFINE ~ "The latest research demonstrates, however, that when people
>>>>>>> don't get their usual dose they can suffer a range of withdrawal
>>>>>>> symptoms, including headache, fatigue, difficulty concentrating. They
>>>>>>> may even feel like they have the flu with nausea and muscle pain."
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>>>>>>> Griffiths, and colleague Laura Juliano, Ph.D., of American University
>>>>>>> published these findings in the October 2004 issue of the journal
>>>>>>> Psychopharmacology, available online now
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>>>>>>> LOSS OF CONCENTRATION, FLU , NAUSEA AND MUSCLE PAIN, NOT TO MENTION
>>>>>>> EXTREME ANXIETY, IRRITABLITY AND MIGRAINE HEADACHES. CAFFINE IS 10
>>>>>>> TIMES WORSE THAN MARIJUANA. COFFEE SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL
>>>>>>> IMMEDIATELY.
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>>>>>>> The symptoms for marijuana withdrawl were a little anxiety and
>>>>>>> insomnia. That is it.
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>>>>>>> Marinol is FAKE marijuana. So they want to give you FAKE marijuana in
>>>>>>> tablet form , manufactured by a OIL company / petrochemical / for
>>>>>>> 50-100 times marijuana would cost so you won't smoke a natural plant.
>>>>>>> And you don't even get the great taste or smell? Not to mention the
>>>>>>> synergistic effects of all the chemicals not just the THC. THAT IS
>>>>>>> STUPID!!!
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>>>>>>> THIS JUST SHOWS HOW STUPID PROHIBITION IS AND HOW STUPID THE MEDICAL
>>>>>>> COMMUNITY IS. NOT TO MENTION THE PROHIBITIONIST BASTARDS..
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>>>>>>> The doctor running this study is probably a caffine addict.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>> I am not sure what you were told, but about 20-25 %% of heavy pot
>>>>>> users have withdrawal symptoms when they stop. Marijuana's active
>>>>>> ingredients (THC) and their metabolites (CBN and CBD) last long enough
>>>>>> where most people do not experience any significant symptoms from
>>>>>> stopping, but other CB1 agonists that do not have a long effective
>>>>>> half-life cause withdrawal in virtually all subjects.
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>>>>>> I am not in favor of pot or any drug being illegal, and that was not
>>>>>> the point of my post. But don't think that because something is a
>>>>>> plant or a natural product means that something is safer than a man
>>>>>> made compound. This is the type of flawed thinking that got us to the
>>>>>> War on Some Drugs. There are plenty of deadly plants and natural
>>>>>> products (like Foxglove and digitalis) and whether something is
>>>>>> natural has nothing to do with its safety; how something affects the
>>>>>> body is what determines its safety.
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>>>>>> I posted this to help people on methadone who cannot get take homes
>>>>>> because of their pot smoking, as well as to introduce people to http;//
www.clinicaltrials.gov. But you should brush up on your cannabinol /
>>>>>> anandamide pharmacology before making your reactionary statements.
>>>>>> Just because you have not experienced marijuana dependence/addiction
>>>>>> does not mean it does not exist.
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>>>>> I'm Bad. I'm Sorry.
>>>>> But, still giving people synthetic THC so they wont take natural
>>>>> THC is a bit silly, don't you think? Especially since natural THC is
>>>>> less expensive. And, as stated on the goverment study website,
>>>>> marijuana addiction has symptoms that are less than the symptoms of
>>>>> withdrawl from Coffee.
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>>>>> I'm glad you posted the link. It is great proof that even the
>>>>> government acknowledges that marijuana is less dangerous than coffee
>>>>> or coca-cola.
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>>>> I think that's stretching the truth a bit. You might as well claim
>>>> that lsd is safer than milk.
>>>> Cannabis is a drug and drugs are inherently dangerous.
>>>> I'm all pro legalization/regulation and pro human rights, but as a
>>>> cannabis lover I think it's important to emphasize that cannabis has
>>>> associated risks and claiming it's safer than coffee or coca-cola is
>>>> silly.
>>>> I do think that as far as the risk of addiction is concerned, cannabis
>>>> is about equally addictive as coffee. But the risks of potent bud are
>>>> more similar to the risk of other psychedelics like mushrooms or lsd
>>>> in the sense that you might freak out if you're inexperienced or you
>>>> panic because you find the effects overwhelming or unpleasant.
>>>> As much as I hate the fascist cockroaches in the government crime
>>>> syndicate and their pseudoscientific henchmen, I think we shouldn't
>>>> misrepresent cannabis and the associated risks in an attempt to
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>>> Caffine IS A DRUG AND INHERINTLY DANGEROUS, PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM IT!
>>> AND MANY GO TO EMERGENCY ROOMS EVERY YEAR!
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>>> Yesterday, my wfe who does not drink Coffee was really tired about 4
>>> o,clock and ordered coffee to wake up. She ended up with a screaming
>>> migraine, she had chest pain and irregular heartbeat and ended up in
>>> bed the rest of the night because of it.
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>>> It is NOT silly to equate Cannabis with Coffee. It is very ACCURATE- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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>> True, people have died from caffeine overdoses and not from cannabis,
>> but I think there are other considerations. I've personally met many
>> people who suffer from panic attacks from cannabis and I think potent
>> bud is more dangerous than coffee in that respect.
>> Most parents would allow their kids (say 12 to 14 year olds) to drink
>> coffee or coca-cola, but I think it would be irresponsible to allow
>> them to smoke cannabis.
>> I think cannabis is relatively safe in comparison to alcohol and
>> tobacco, but coffee is definitely safer than cannabis in my opinion
>> even though coffee isn't completely safe or harmless either.
>> I know loads of people who enjoy coffee without significant problems
>> and I think a fair proportion of them would seriously freak out if
>> they toke bud while being under the impression that it's a completely
>> harmless drug.
>> Both coffee and cannabis have associated risks, but I rate the risks
>> of cannabis as more serious. However, the biggest problem with
>> cannabis is that people are poorly informed about the effects and
>> risks. Not just people who think it's very harmful and causes
>> braindamage, but also people who think cannabis is completely harmless
>> and doesn't involve any risks. The risks are of a very different
>> nature, but overall I would rate cannabis more risky than coffee or
>> coca-cola, just like I would rate chocolate as less risky than coffee.- Hide quoted text -
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> You say "Yes , Coffee and cafine have killed but it is irresponsible
> to give kids cannabis yet it is o.k. to give them coffee. What kind
> of logic is that"
Water has also killed people (and I'm not talking about people
drowning in it, but people fatally overdosing on it). Are you saying
that means we shouldn't give water to kids?
Just because you can fatally overdose on water and not on cannabis,
does not necessarily mean water is more dangerous than cannabis.
I can snip the rest of the story, because you're barking up the wrong
tree. We both agree prohibition is fascistic and cannabis should be
regulated less strictly than more dangerous psychoactive substances
like alcohol or tobacco, so there is no point to argue with me about
that.
