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Author: F.H.F.H. Date: Oct 16, 2007 10:45
In contrast to U.S. policy, European countries focus on harm reduction,
and it works.
By Rick Steves
October 12, 2007
Europe has a drug problem, and knows it. But the Europeans' approach to
it is quite different from the American "war on drugs." I spend 120 days
a year in Europe as a travel writer, so I decided to see for myself how
it's working. I talked with locals, researched European drug policies
and even visited a smoky marijuana "coffee shop" in Amsterdam. I got a
close look at the alternative to a war on drugs.
Europeans are well aware of the U.S. track record against illegal drug
use. Since President Nixon first declared the war on drugs in 1971, our
country has locked up millions of its citizens and spent hundreds of
billions of dollars (many claim that if incarceration costs are figured
in, a trillion dollars) waging this "war." Despite these efforts, U.S.
government figures show the overall rate of illicit drug use has
remained about the same.
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Author: logan714logan714 Date: Oct 16, 2007 11:29
On Oct 16, 12:45 pm, "F.H." verizon.net> wrote:
> In contrast to U.S. policy, European countries focus on harm reduction,
> and it works.
> By Rick Steves
>
> October 12, 2007
>
> Europe has a drug problem, and knows it. But the Europeans' approach to
> it is quite different from the American "war on drugs." I spend 120 days
> a year in Europe as a travel writer, so I decided to see for myself how
> it's working. I talked with locals, researched European drug policies
> and even visited a smoky marijuana "coffee shop" in Amsterdam. I got a
> close look at the alternative to a war on drugs.
>
> Europeans are well aware of the U.S. track record against illegal drug
> use. Since President Nixon first declared the war on drugs in 1971, our
> country has locked up millions of its citizens and spent hundreds of
> billions of dollars (many claim that if incarceration costs are figured
> in, a trillion dollars) waging this "war." Despite these efforts, U.S.
> government figures show the overall rate of illicit drug use has ...
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Author: jimbojimbo Date: Oct 16, 2007 12:35
On Oct 16, 1:45 pm, "F.H." verizon.net> wrote:
> In contrast to U.S. policy, European countries focus on harm reduction,
> and it works.
Canada has had some experiences with this type of approach.
I visited a residential home for alcoholics on Ottawa where 16 street
alkies reside and they can start drinking at 10am and can consume one
10oz glass of wine per hour up to 10pm.
The program saves various levelsof Gov't some 60,000$ per year per
drunk and occasionally one straightens out and joins AA.
In Montreal we have needle programs where addicts can pick up free
needles from 3 or 4 outlets around the city and we also have methadone
programs. Addicts in prison and jail can also get free needles.
The down side of free needles is that they get tossed in back lanes
and playgrounds which addicts frequent at night. The result is that
the playgrounds in and around Montrealare deserted during the day as
parents are worried their children will get stuck by needles.
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Author: Kai RKai R Date: Oct 16, 2007 12:58
jimbo kirjoitti:
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> In Montreal we have needle programs where addicts can pick up free
> needles from 3 or 4 outlets around the city and we also have methadone
> programs. Addicts in prison and jail can also get free needles.
>
> The down side of free needles is that they get tossed in back lanes
> and playgrounds which addicts frequent at night. The result is that
> the playgrounds in and around Montrealare deserted during the day as
> parents are worried their children will get stuck by needles.
>
There's a simple cure for that particular problem. In Finland the
druggies only get as many free needles as they return used ones in
exchange. Works pretty well.
--
Kai
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Author: F.H.F.H. Date: Oct 16, 2007 13:16
jimbo wrote:
> On Oct 16, 1:45 pm, "F.H." verizon.net> wrote:
>> In contrast to U.S. policy, European countries focus on harm reduction,
>> and it works.
> Canada has had some experiences with this type of approach.
>
> I visited a residential home for alcoholics on Ottawa where 16 street
> alkies reside and they can start drinking at 10am and can consume one
> 10oz glass of wine per hour up to 10pm.
>
> The program saves various levels of Gov't some 60,000$ per year per
> drunk and occasionally one straightens out and joins AA.
That sounds pretty good to Moi.
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Author: jimbojimbo Date: Oct 16, 2007 16:29
On Oct 16, 3:58 pm, Kai R gmail.com> wrote:
There's a simple cure for that particular problem. In Finland the
druggies only get as many free needles as they return used ones in
exchange. Works pretty well.
For years they operated as exchange programs but it slowly morphed
into a
no return policy. I think it is b/c a lot of the sex trade workers are
shooting up on the streets.
Jim
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Author: jimbojimbo Date: Oct 16, 2007 16:32
On Oct 16, 4:16 pm, "F.H." verizon.net> wrote:
> Maybe the addicts should have the same type program as the drunks.
> Or..., maybe supply the needles with some sort of packaging for disposal.
Drug addiction, especially heroin is a lifestyle and expecting people
to stay put in a house is a stretch. Also, expecting addicts to cap
needles have getting their brain fried is a big stretch.
Jim
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Author: F.H.F.H. Date: Oct 16, 2007 16:52
jimbo wrote:
> On Oct 16, 4:16 pm, "F.H." verizon.net> wrote:
>> Maybe the addicts should have the same type program as the drunks.
>> Or..., maybe supply the needles with some sort of packaging for disposal.
>
> Drug addiction, especially heroin is a lifestyle and expecting people
> to stay put in a house is a stretch. Also, expecting addicts to cap
> needles have getting their brain fried is a big stretch.
What say you on firing squads?
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Author: TommyTommy Date: Oct 16, 2007 18:05
F.H. wrote:
> In contrast to U.S. policy, European countries focus on harm
> reduction, and it works.
> By Rick Steves
>
> October 12, 2007
>
> Europe has a drug problem, and knows it. But the Europeans' approach
> to it is quite different from the American "war on drugs." I spend
> 120 days a year in Europe as a travel writer, so I decided to see for
> myself how it's working. I talked with locals, researched European
> drug policies and even visited a smoky marijuana "coffee shop" in
> Amsterdam. I got a close look at the alternative to a war on drugs.
> European leaders understand that a society has a choice: tolerate
> alternative lifestyles or build more prisons. They've made their
> choice. We're still building more prisons.
>
> Rick Steves ( ricksteves.com) writes European travel guidebooks...
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Author: Tim and LisaTim and Lisa Date: Oct 16, 2007 18:07
"F.H." verizon.net> wrote in message
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> In contrast to U.S. policy, European countries focus on harm reduction,
> and it works.
> By Rick Steves
>
> October 12, 2007
>
> Europe has a drug problem, and knows it. But the Europeans' approach to it
> is quite different from the American "war on drugs." I spend 120 days a
> year in Europe as a travel writer, so I decided to see for myself how it's
> working. I talked with locals, researched European drug policies and even
> visited a smoky marijuana "coffee shop" in Amsterdam. I got a close look
> at the alternative to a war on drugs.
>
> Europeans are well aware of the U.S. track record against illegal drug
> use. Since President Nixon first declared the war on drugs in 1971, our
> country has locked up millions of its citizens and spent hundreds of
> billions of dollars (many claim that if incarceration costs are figured
> in, a trillion dollars) waging this "war." Despite these efforts, U.S. ...
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