On Dec 30, 1:44 am, AnonyMouse noplace.org> wrote:

first, this initial poster is pretty full of shit in a lot of ways,
you feel you can dismiss him/her with a single statement, BUT there
are some key points all y'all hardcore drug addicts just roll yr eyes
at. 'cause youre not thinking it thru.

2nd i personally am on 280 mg of oxycodone a day and 'bout 140 mg of
'done, too. give or take. (and, yes, laxatives, water and yoga are my
constant companions!) plus benzos, ssri's, television, internet...on
and on... ive been lucky with a country doctor that lets me prove i
can be responsible and ive somehow found what works for me. so in
all, thru this last DECADE of trial and error, ive spent considerable
time living in the dubs. withdrawal. you know what i mean.

3rd---------------> i think (even tho the initial poster approached
things all wrong---the writing shows signs of asperger's syndrome or
some mild autism, im serious!) that there ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF
WITHDRAWAL. we opioid dependents (can i get an AMEN?!?) know the quick
walking death that are the dubs. bone ache yawning. CANT. GET.
COMFORTABLE. CANNOT SLEEP. VORACIOUS SEXUAL APPETITE...wait.
that might be just me but, you know. and after the 1st time, or
even before, most of us have no one to blame but ourselves. we knew
the risks. weve seen the movies... from the person taking a half an
extra vicodin a day, knowing that he will have 4 days of disability at
the end of every month cause he thinks (or knows) that his doc wont
titrate his painkillers properly to the scruffiest dirt punk,
injecting chiva (black tar.....california gold....heroin!), banging
EXACTLY enough (too much) to float near oblivion/death/perceived bliss
for 3 fleeting nodding hours, even tho he knows his hook-up isnt
coming back from the hot springs for 2 days---------WE KNOW WHAT WILL
HAPPEN.
BUT. but....the pothead. the butt of so many jokes. a
dummy. proudly showing you his collection of glass pipes, papers,
bongs, and other ephemera....he DOES NOT know why he feels empty when
his stash is. 'cause every one trumpets from coast to coast: "POT ISNT
ADDICTIVE! you dont KNOW addicted till youre shitting out your lungs
while holding a bucket, puking up your lower intestine contents at the
same time!!!!"

its the classic dependence vs. addiction clusterfuck all day long.
physical or psychological? mind numbing cravings every 4 hrs vs. a
"nagging" nebulous lost feeling that something is missing most nights
for months (years)? the inexplicable vs. certainties...
every.
day.

i ramble. psychological addiction affects many more
prople than physical withdrawal weakening the human body (and thus
mind) quickly, slowly, or otherwise into that mix of psychological/
physical y-e-a-r-n-i-n-g (that will not kill you, as our (previously,
currently) incarcerated brothers and sisters can confirm, sadly
enough).

millions just hit the bag of herb again, inexplicably,
at the cost of job security and many other positive things----all
lifetime long, because it is simply there and if it isnt, it is easy
to get. far easier than the opioid addicts favorite dish. and, CHRIST,
do NOT get me going about the commercial weed that most americans have
easiest access to and the chemicals (miricle-gro, anyone?)
unscrupulous "growers" spike their product with for just some random
percent more weight at the cost of actually creating a most wholesome
recreational substance, far safer than ANY alcohol.
it might take 3 days or even 18 months, most potheads
come back, if there isnt anything keeping them clean like a
disapproving partner or the desire to feel younger/more attractive by
trading up to cardiovascular addictions.(if youve seen the hollow
cheeks of a 4hr a day exerciser staring out with those sad/blank/
rarely-but-sometimes-achingly-sexy anorexic eyes, you know what
cardiovascular addiction is...another post altogether, that subject----
how much do we compulsive users have in common with the other
compulsives?)

so please try not to sound as off base and gravely misinformed as the
original poster by simplifying something far more complex than most,
including myself, can conceive.

substances with cognitive effects build up in so many ways in so many
places. take a break when YOU choose to. not when the dealer is
unreachable or it is friday afternoon any you didnt call in a refill
request to your legal hook-up (doctors!).
you will feel, if not better exactly, MORE. remembering what physical
presence means is my personal reason for 24-96 hour drug and food
fasts. it keeps me on an even keel.

try it. just 12 hrs. right after you score. let getting high be yr
gift to yrself if you find it hard the 1st few times. but before you
do, dwell in the strength you naturally as a human posess. rub yr
eyes. wake up to reality for a few hours. drive, ride, walk somewhere
you havent before. know that your everyday mindspace is waiting back
where you left it. trust me, it will taste better knowing that you can
put it down if needed, but who does in our "modern" world? =-grin-=

you can hold the spark of the 1st time you fell in love with how
whatever you take made you feel right in the forefront of yr
perceptions. it gets easy. being aware of the desire to be almost
constantly unaware, you experience the contradictions that some
perceive as god...own yr choices. life wont sting so annoyingly if you
learn how to do the equivalent of swimming's dead man float thru life
decisions and interactions with others from our mothers to our
lovers...simplicity amidst increasing entropy (things fall apart)
creating complexity in existence here in our everyday world.
the rewards of knowing that YOU are the one in control are like
multifaceted gems you can return to in times of crisis that you can
get lost in when the path of the knowing aware substance user slips
away from your understanding, if just for a day

-714, fellow travelers.

djebel