"Paisely Sky"
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> MushMouth wrote:
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>> "Paisely Sky"
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>>>> "Paisely Sky"
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>>>>> pj wrote:
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>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:18:14 GMT, Paisely Sky
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>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>pj wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:08:04 GMT, Paisely Sky
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Has that new movie about the Queen's reaction to Diana's death
>>>>>>>>>gotten
>>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>>there yet. If so, what do Brits seem to think about it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In set theoretical terms, I think the intersection of the set of
>>>>>>>> brits
>>>>>>>> who care about the royal family, and the set of brits who are
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> psychedelics, is the empty set.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, I'm into psychedelics (although it's been quite a while
>>>>>>>since I
>>>>>>>tripped)
>>>>>>>and I'm interested in Diana. I think she was a great force for
>>>>>>>good
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>the world
>>>>>>>before she died. Kinda reminded me of John Lennon and some of the
>>>>>>>counter-culture public figures from the sixties. I think she was a
>>>>>>>bit
>>>>>>>naive in
>>>>>>>some ways, but she had an enormous positive influence on the
>>>>>>>world,
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>opinion. too bad she died---for the *world* I mean. The world is
>>>>>>>quite a
>>>>>>>different place now that her voice is gone, wouldn't you agree?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I don't I'm afraid. She was pretty and sweet. Then she became a
>>>>>> typical socialite. I fail to see the enormous positive influence
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> had.
>>>>>
>>>>> She was a big help in destigmatizing aids.
>>>> i didnt know that, but philidelfia, and the show melrose place helped,
>>>> freddi mucury, & arthure ash, and 100's of other people, the princess
>>>> was
>>>> not the face of aids advocacy i knew,
>>>
>>> You must be pretty young, then. Or you must not have ever watched the
>>> news.
>>>
>> has any one else here seen shit about her, that was not bullshit P.R
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She brought attention to the problems of
>>>>> third world children.
>>>> michael jackson, heral the world, we are the world, uhh countledss
>>>> other
>>>> people,
>>>
>>> So what? There's always room for one more.
>>>
>>
>> i never said no
>
> Look, I'm not trying to cannonize Diana. Yes, I'll admit that her PR image
> was
> that of a fairy tale princess, something she couldn't have possibly been
> in real
> life. But I admire how she used it. The image she created had enormous
> power,
> and she was learning to use it for great good. However, the Dodi thing
> showed
> just how naive she could be about PR. Either that or it shows she may not
> have
> cared about her PR as much as we thought. But probably the best
> explanation is
> that she started believeing her own PR to the point where she thought she
> could
> do know wrong (in the realms of PR).
>
> There are a lot of rich people who aren't saints but who try to do good in
> the
> world. Danny Thomas was one. He created the best children's hospital in
> the
> world: St Jude Children's Hospital.
>
> I think you come down on Diana a little too hard. Yes, I believe royalty
> is a
> hold over from the past that has outlasted its usefulness. But she did
> manage to
> be more useful, in my opinion, to the world at large, by promoting peace
> and
> compassion, than the royal family she married into.
>
your right was talking with a friend and we started talking about this
subject, and it hit me... in highschool i studied Photography and 1994 when
this happend i set my gaze on hollywood for graduation, Celeb photography
would have been my stock and trade. when the photographers were hit with the
blame for her death, it set me off and i never took her name well again, we
all are in controle of our destiny on new years rolling with my boy who was
tipsy, was my choice and if it killed me then i am to blame, her driver was
drunk and any one could have made a smart desition in that situation, and
there was no need to speed, a flash never killed any one, try it flash your
self, a photo never stole a soul, so there paranoya killed them... sorry yes
i was critical of her, my bad, i didnt even think that, that shit was a
balance on my views of her as a person... again my bad
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> again i dont remember the princess
>>>
>>> Then you must have a short memory.
>>>
>>
>> no i remember those that matter
>
> Fair enough. Everyone has a different idea about who and what matters
> most.
>
word, hell you might no know the importance of kool herc but in my
community, people would have know more of his contributions than hers...
this is true, i guess its what you place importance on
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> doing it, modona has done more
>>>> for the third world "visably" may be she did more but i didnt see it,
>>>> are
>>>> you mixing her up with mother terasa
>>>
>>> Nope. Mother Teresa was not perfect either. But I wouldn't compare the
>>> two.
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>
> I believe Mother Tersa's compassion was honest. But she had what I
> consider to
> be flaws which I can't quite understand. Still, I admire her
> accomplishments and
> will readily acknowledge she was a far better person than I am, or most
> people
> are.
>
me too, not catholic but respect self sacrifice
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> they both died around the same time,
>>>> its easy to get them confused LOL
>>>
>>> I loved Mother Teresa, but if I had the chance to go to bed with one of
>>> the two,
>>> well...
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>
>> i'm with you on that one LOL
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She got involved in an attempt to ban land mines world wide.
>>>>
>>>> paul mccartney, paul simon, prince,
>>>
>>> So what? There's always rooms for one more voice against the evils of
>>> the
>>> world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> again i didnt say no just that she didnt enter my visual spectrum
>
> I see.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> there was mad more but i forgot, i'm not
>>>> sure i remember her at thos benifits, FYI even O.J Simpson help in
>>>> that
>>>> effort, look it up LOL
>>>>
>>
>> what you have nothing to say here LOL, what was he bad? manson was a
>> hippy... he hung with the beachboys too, so ones stance does not reflect
>> ones heart
>
> Charles Manson? He was a sociopathic serial killer. He had the ability to
> manipulate people, brainwash kids on acid and convince them to murder for
> him,
> ruining their lives in the process, not to mention the lives of those they
> killed.
>
> I see nothing admirable about Charles Manson. He had cunning. He was
> extremely
> intelligent. That's all. But he used it in the worst way imaginable.
>
>
LOL nooo i was not batting for him, i was just saying he was a hippy and
hung with the beach boys thats it... i was batting for O.J i love him
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> She did some charity stuff - like a lot of wealthy socialites,
>>>>>> but what did she change? I see no similarity with counter-culture
>>>>>> figures from the sixties.
>>>>>
>>>>> She adopted the same kinds of social issues, for one.
>>>>
>>>> "counter-culture figures from the sixties." you might want to rethink
>>>> that
>>>> shit LOL
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>
>> counter culture was to go agenst the grain, to deny the established
>> norms,
>
> Well, counter-culture wasn't a homogenous thing. It was comprised of many
> different contradictory influences. One *aspect* of counter-culture
> reflects
> what you describe. But that is the aspect I was/and am opposed to.
>
good for you, but if you dont remember the culture at the time was war
mongering, biggoted, close minded and sheeps, i guess you think that shit
was well and good, the point of being counter culture anti establisment was
that the establishment was contaminated, and needed to be rebooted, so to
say you were agenst the cut and pase action here................. "counter
culture was to go agenst the grain, to deny the established norms"|"One
*aspect* of counter-culture reflects what you describe. But that is the
aspect I was/and am opposed to" then you were agent malcom, martin, bobby,
panters, weather men, beatles, dylan, sly and the family stone, hendrix,
gandi, every freedom fighter, and peace activist, and the list goes on,
counter culture agenst the grain... again forgive me for rehashing this but
were does the princess fit in with these people, i do agree with you that
she used the press and P.R to spot light some well established causes, but
the diffrence between them and her was they started something she signed her
name to it, to be a revolutionary you must be on your feet and running, no
time for P.R thats why to quote Scott Heron "The revolution will not be
televised" thats the counter culture, i'm not sure if you listened to the
interviwes of john and yoko on there bed in, they were lambasted by the
counter culture press on using the bujwa press, like i said befor, lennon
new when he was full of shit, thats what made him real, but he knew the
bullshitwould fit for the cause, even though he hated that fact, but since
he would be in the public "have them cover whay you want them to" sorry for
the rant
>
>>
>> "counter"-"culture" what of that is the rejected princess
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, she was also a rich socialite and took advantage of the perks
>>>>> of
>>>>> her
>>>>> position.
>>>>> And she was self-promoting. Her "saint-like" public image was
>>>>> carefully
>>>>> crafted. She
>>>>> was not without flaws. But I think she was generally a compassionate
>>>>> person. And it
>>>>> was how she *used* her public persona that I was impressed with. She
>>>>> took
>>>>> a page
>>>>> right out of John Lennon's book, in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> stop saying that shit!!! fuck her she was no lennon damb it,
>>>
>>> I dodn't say she was a John Lennon. Jesus, when will you people learn
>>> how
>>> to
>>> fucking read. I said she *took a page from John Lennon's book*. Which
>>> she
>>> obviously did.
>>>
>>
>> but what page would that be? tiger beat poster
>
> lol
>
> No. The idea that as long as she is going to be in the public eye
> *anyway*, then
> why not use that moment to advocate issues that were near and dear to her
> heart.
> That page.
>
>
hay never mine my above paragraph LOL
>
>>
>>
>>> Well, maybe you are too young to know this. But John and Yoko decided
>>> that
>>> as
>>> long as they were going to be in the media anyway, they might as well
>>> use
>>> their
>>> moment in the public eye to bring attention to good causes, like world
>>> peace.
>>> Diana, obviously, learned that lesson and did the same thing with her
>>> celebrity.
>>> That's all I meant. Anything you gathered from my statement other than
>>> that is
>>> all in your own mind.
>>>
>>
>> i'll accept that,... "sorry for pushing buttons"
>
> No problem.
>
thanks
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> lennon was not
>>>> a poster or photo with i love ny shirt, he was no saint but resides in
>>>> heaven due to the fact that he was real, she was fake, she was walking
>>>> P.R.
>>>> madison ave poster girl, that why the prince left her for his pet
>>>> horse...
>>>> he knew she was fake and so did every one else, she didnt have a
>>>> stigmata,
>>>> she was not christ, che was no fucken Lennon, and if you asked Yoko
>>>> she'd
>>>> tell you the same
>>>
>>> Do you speak for Yoko?
>>
>> yes, we are kindred sprits...
>
> Then can I borrow some money?
>
> :-D
>
does she lone money, uhh no she kicks people off there land, one of the
things i hate about he, lennons uncle i think, lennon gave him a home, when
he died she kicked him off of the land "BITCH!!!!"
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think Yoko would be the first to praise Diana for her public
>>> activities.
>>> She
>>> was doing exactly the same kind of thing John and Yoko were doing with
>>> their
>>> celebrity. And you seem to forget that Yoko is probably almost as
>>> wealthy
>>> as
>>> Diana was. The royals, after all, are mainly land rich. Why do you not
>>> fault
>>> Yoko for her luxurious lifestyle and capitalist ways. Yoko is a shrewd
>>> business
>>> woman who became rich due to her shrewdness in managing Lennon's
>>> fortune
>>> and
>>> increasing it dramatically.
>>
>> yoko was rich befor lennon, read a bio.
>
> Her family was rich, but she often ran out of money. In fact, that was why
> she
> went to England to try to meet a Beatle.
bull mothata fucken shit people, Lennon said and i quote "i met her for the
first time at her art exibit" "and fell inlove with the idea" "in the font
room there was a ladder that lead to a tiny picture with a magnifine glass
and the picture said 'YES' if it sad something negitive like 'fuck off' or
something like that i would have walked out" he fell for her, not the other
way around, theres a CD collection you might want to pick up called lennon
remembers its a blayboy interview, he talks about every thing its 4CD 2 sets
of two disc lennon remembers life with the lions and working class hero,
well good shit, there are also some good radio interviews with him and yoko
a "day on the radio", "last interview", "the last word", "west wood one
collection 218CD's lost lennon tapes" of what i have them all but only
listend to the first 60, not to mention many many other cd's of interviews
of them both... you might not want to pull that bullshit on a fan, i'm a fan
She wanted one of them to finance her
> art projects. Her family would only give her so much financial support.
> They
> would keep her from starving and keep a roof over her head, but that's
> about it
> in those days.
again he came to her not the other way around, she was married to a
millionareand devorced him when she fell in love with lennon, that shit you
can read in wiki, you dont need the cd's, see i'f i was not a fan i would
have believed this bullshit, hey why not email her go to my
myspace.com/powerquee she's there, she does on occasion replys. get it
right!
>
>
>
>> and she's keen on marketing, i dont
>> fault diana for that, i faul you for assuming it was none other than P.R,
>
> With Yoko and John? If that's what you mean, I don't. I highly respect
> both of
> them. And, yes, they were much more philosophically sophisticated and
> enlightened than Diana. If that's what you mean, I couldn't agree more.
>
>
>
>>
>> the others like hilton and yoko are transparent about it, but some of you
>> think that the princess walked with a halo...
>
> Americans? Yes, I suppose that's true. But I think she was the first
> member of
> royalty that affected us that way. I mean, the Queen or Prince Charles
> would
> blow through town every now and then, and everyone would go ga ga. But
> they were
> just the flavor of the moment. All the hubub died down as soon as they
> were
> gone. It was different with Diana, though. Americans were smitten with her
> even
> when she wasn't around.
>
true
>
>
>> tif you read yur own writings
>> you would jump to the same conclusion...
>
> Duely noted. I see your point.
>
>
>
>> i only wanted to piont out that she
>> didn't do it for them but her, get it right...
>
> I will agree that self-promotion was one of her motives. But I also think
> she
> was fairly kind-hearted by nature and personality. For example, that
> American
> couple who she baby sat for said she was wonderful with their children and
> they
> loved her. That doesn't make her a saint, of course. Just a caring baby
> sitter.
>
word
>
>
>> dont slap her with the marter
>> sticker
>
> No. I don't think of her as a martyr. But I do think of her as a positive
> force
> in the world while she was alive, a positive voice in regard to certain
> issues.
>
>
i'm with you
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think a more accurate comparison would be
>>>>>> Paris Hilton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ooooo, I can't believe you said that.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were parallels, of course. But Paris is virutally *only* into
>>>>> self-promotion.
>>>>
>>>> and walking around india with diamonds saying we should touch lepers
>>>> is
>>>> so
>>>> fucken real
>>>
>>> I think it was real. I think it reflected the compassionate side of her
>>> personality.
>>>
>>
>> ok, i'm going to show up at the local soup kitchen in my ecalade with
>> spinners "cause there spinnin Ni&&a there Spinnin" blinged out, and press
>> all around looking like p-diddi at the source awards. ist that for the
>> poor,
>> or was that for me?
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At least Diana sometimes worked for good causes. And I think she was
>>>>> effective at it.
>>>>> There's no way Paris Hilton could focus attention on social issues
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> degree that
>>>>> Diana did.
>>>>
>>>> i have more respect for paris
>>>
>>> I have no respect for Paris.
>>>
>>
>> i'd spend a night in paris
>
> She's good looking, but I don't think she has much inner sex appeal. I
> come from
> an entrirely different generation, though.
>
actually i find her fugly but the video speaks for its self... she is good
for something,
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> cause 1) she, also does as se believes, she
>>>> believes in nothing so thats what she does, 2) that cockeyed proda
>>>> priss
>>>> knows her place 3) she sucks a mean diznik
>>
>> what nothin?
>>
>>>>
>>>> No one would take her seriously. I'll give Paris Hilton cretdit for
>>>> that
>>>>> much PR savvy, anyway. She knows people would take a cynical view of
>>>>> her
>>>>> motives if
>>>>> she did that. She's no dummy. I don't have much respect for her, but
>>>>> she's
>>>>> got a
>>>>> pretty keen PR sense, at least, in relation to what she wants to get
>>>>> out
>>>>> of it. She
>>>>> knows how to get what she wants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thats what makes her real, she bought her own DVD on Mtv thats right
>>>
>>> Who cares if someone is "real" if they are also superficial and
>>> shallow?
>>
>> so who cares about diana,... cause she played one on TV...
>
> lol
>
LOL, yah that one came to me from richard pryor inspiration
>
>> oohh, boom bap
>> suprise oooh!!! look down, dont step on it, i think its your face, you
>> might
>> want to pick it up... foesheeze
>
> I don't think she was a superficial and shallow as Paris.
>
i agree, but it was a slap fight and i sometime use my nails LoL
>
>
this was fun
--
So Have a Coke and a Smile and Shut the Fuck Up
--
Quee
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pj
>>>>>
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