MushMouth wrote:
> "Paisely Sky"
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>> MushMouth wrote:
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>>> "Paisely Sky"
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>>>> pj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:18:14 GMT, Paisely Sky
retina.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>pj wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:08:04 GMT, Paisely Sky
retina.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Has that new movie about the Queen's reaction to Diana's death
>>>>>>>>gotten
>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>there yet. If so, what do Brits seem to think about it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In set theoretical terms, I think the intersection of the set of
>>>>>>> brits
>>>>>>> who care about the royal family, and the set of brits who are into
>>>>>>> psychedelics, is the empty set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I'm into psychedelics (although it's been quite a while since I
>>>>>>tripped)
>>>>>>and I'm interested in Diana. I think she was a great force for good
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the world
>>>>>>before she died. Kinda reminded me of John Lennon and some of the
>>>>>>counter-culture public figures from the sixties. I think she was a
>>>>>>bit
>>>>>>naive in
>>>>>>some ways, but she had an enormous positive influence on the world,
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>opinion. too bad she died---for the *world* I mean. The world is
>>>>>>quite a
>>>>>>different place now that her voice is gone, wouldn't you agree?
>>>>>
>>>>> No I don't I'm afraid. She was pretty and sweet. Then she became a
>>>>> typical socialite. I fail to see the enormous positive influence she
>>>>> had.
>>>>
>>>> She was a big help in destigmatizing aids.
>>> i didnt know that, but philidelfia, and the show melrose place helped,
>>> freddi mucury, & arthure ash, and 100's of other people, the princess was
>>> not the face of aids advocacy i knew,
>>
>> You must be pretty young, then. Or you must not have ever watched the
>> news.
>>
> has any one else here seen shit about her, that was not bullshit P.R
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She brought attention to the problems of
>>>> third world children.
>>> michael jackson, heral the world, we are the world, uhh countledss other
>>> people,
>>
>> So what? There's always room for one more.
>>
>
> i never said no
Look, I'm not trying to cannonize Diana. Yes, I'll admit that her PR image was
that of a fairy tale princess, something she couldn't have possibly been in real
life. But I admire how she used it. The image she created had enormous power,
and she was learning to use it for great good. However, the Dodi thing showed
just how naive she could be about PR. Either that or it shows she may not have
cared about her PR as much as we thought. But probably the best explanation is
that she started believeing her own PR to the point where she thought she could
do know wrong (in the realms of PR).
There are a lot of rich people who aren't saints but who try to do good in the
world. Danny Thomas was one. He created the best children's hospital in the
world: St Jude Children's Hospital.
I think you come down on Diana a little too hard. Yes, I believe royalty is a
hold over from the past that has outlasted its usefulness. But she did manage to
be more useful, in my opinion, to the world at large, by promoting peace and
compassion, than the royal family she married into.
>
>
>>
>>> again i dont remember the princess
>>
>> Then you must have a short memory.
>>
>
> no i remember those that matter
Fair enough. Everyone has a different idea about who and what matters most.
>
>
>>
>>> doing it, modona has done more
>>> for the third world "visably" may be she did more but i didnt see it, are
>>> you mixing her up with mother terasa
>>
>> Nope. Mother Teresa was not perfect either. But I wouldn't compare the
>> two.
>>
>
> LOL
I believe Mother Tersa's compassion was honest. But she had what I consider to
be flaws which I can't quite understand. Still, I admire her accomplishments and
will readily acknowledge she was a far better person than I am, or most people
are.
>
>
>>
>>> they both died around the same time,
>>> its easy to get them confused LOL
>>
>> I loved Mother Teresa, but if I had the chance to go to bed with one of
>> the two,
>> well...
>>
>> :-D
>>
>
> i'm with you on that one LOL
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She got involved in an attempt to ban land mines world wide.
>>>
>>> paul mccartney, paul simon, prince,
>>
>> So what? There's always rooms for one more voice against the evils of the
>> world.
>>
>>
>
> again i didnt say no just that she didnt enter my visual spectrum
I see.
>
>
>>
>>> there was mad more but i forgot, i'm not
>>> sure i remember her at thos benifits, FYI even O.J Simpson help in that
>>> effort, look it up LOL
>>>
>
> what you have nothing to say here LOL, what was he bad? manson was a
> hippy... he hung with the beachboys too, so ones stance does not reflect
> ones heart
Charles Manson? He was a sociopathic serial killer. He had the ability to
manipulate people, brainwash kids on acid and convince them to murder for him,
ruining their lives in the process, not to mention the lives of those they
killed.
I see nothing admirable about Charles Manson. He had cunning. He was extremely
intelligent. That's all. But he used it in the worst way imaginable.
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> She did some charity stuff - like a lot of wealthy socialites,
>>>>> but what did she change? I see no similarity with counter-culture
>>>>> figures from the sixties.
>>>>
>>>> She adopted the same kinds of social issues, for one.
>>>
>>> "counter-culture figures from the sixties." you might want to rethink
>>> that
>>> shit LOL
>>
>> Why?
>>
>
> counter culture was to go agenst the grain, to deny the established norms,
Well, counter-culture wasn't a homogenous thing. It was comprised of many
different contradictory influences. One *aspect* of counter-culture reflects
what you describe. But that is the aspect I was/and am opposed to.
>
> "counter"-"culture" what of that is the rejected princess
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, she was also a rich socialite and took advantage of the perks of
>>>> her
>>>> position.
>>>> And she was self-promoting. Her "saint-like" public image was carefully
>>>> crafted. She
>>>> was not without flaws. But I think she was generally a compassionate
>>>> person. And it
>>>> was how she *used* her public persona that I was impressed with. She
>>>> took
>>>> a page
>>>> right out of John Lennon's book, in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> stop saying that shit!!! fuck her she was no lennon damb it,
>>
>> I dodn't say she was a John Lennon. Jesus, when will you people learn how
>> to
>> fucking read. I said she *took a page from John Lennon's book*. Which she
>> obviously did.
>>
>
> but what page would that be? tiger beat poster
lol
No. The idea that as long as she is going to be in the public eye *anyway*, then
why not use that moment to advocate issues that were near and dear to her heart.
That page.
>
>
>> Well, maybe you are too young to know this. But John and Yoko decided that
>> as
>> long as they were going to be in the media anyway, they might as well use
>> their
>> moment in the public eye to bring attention to good causes, like world
>> peace.
>> Diana, obviously, learned that lesson and did the same thing with her
>> celebrity.
>> That's all I meant. Anything you gathered from my statement other than
>> that is
>> all in your own mind.
>>
>
> i'll accept that,... "sorry for pushing buttons"
No problem.
>
>
>>
>>> lennon was not
>>> a poster or photo with i love ny shirt, he was no saint but resides in
>>> heaven due to the fact that he was real, she was fake, she was walking
>>> P.R.
>>> madison ave poster girl, that why the prince left her for his pet
>>> horse...
>>> he knew she was fake and so did every one else, she didnt have a
>>> stigmata,
>>> she was not christ, che was no fucken Lennon, and if you asked Yoko she'd
>>> tell you the same
>>
>> Do you speak for Yoko?
>
> yes, we are kindred sprits...
Then can I borrow some money?
:-D
>
>
>>
>> I think Yoko would be the first to praise Diana for her public activities.
>> She
>> was doing exactly the same kind of thing John and Yoko were doing with
>> their
>> celebrity. And you seem to forget that Yoko is probably almost as wealthy
>> as
>> Diana was. The royals, after all, are mainly land rich. Why do you not
>> fault
>> Yoko for her luxurious lifestyle and capitalist ways. Yoko is a shrewd
>> business
>> woman who became rich due to her shrewdness in managing Lennon's fortune
>> and
>> increasing it dramatically.
>
> yoko was rich befor lennon, read a bio.
Her family was rich, but she often ran out of money. In fact, that was why she
went to England to try to meet a Beatle. She wanted one of them to finance her
art projects. Her family would only give her so much financial support. They
would keep her from starving and keep a roof over her head, but that's about it
in those days.
> and she's keen on marketing, i dont
> fault diana for that, i faul you for assuming it was none other than P.R,
With Yoko and John? If that's what you mean, I don't. I highly respect both of
them. And, yes, they were much more philosophically sophisticated and
enlightened than Diana. If that's what you mean, I couldn't agree more.
>
> the others like hilton and yoko are transparent about it, but some of you
> think that the princess walked with a halo...
Americans? Yes, I suppose that's true. But I think she was the first member of
royalty that affected us that way. I mean, the Queen or Prince Charles would
blow through town every now and then, and everyone would go ga ga. But they were
just the flavor of the moment. All the hubub died down as soon as they were
gone. It was different with Diana, though. Americans were smitten with her even
when she wasn't around.
> tif you read yur own writings
> you would jump to the same conclusion...
Duely noted. I see your point.
> i only wanted to piont out that she
> didn't do it for them but her, get it right...
I will agree that self-promotion was one of her motives. But I also think she
was fairly kind-hearted by nature and personality. For example, that American
couple who she baby sat for said she was wonderful with their children and they
loved her. That doesn't make her a saint, of course. Just a caring baby sitter.
> dont slap her with the marter
> sticker
No. I don't think of her as a martyr. But I do think of her as a positive force
in the world while she was alive, a positive voice in regard to certain issues.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think a more accurate comparison would be
>>>>> Paris Hilton.
>>>>
>>>> Ooooo, I can't believe you said that.
>>>>
>>>> There were parallels, of course. But Paris is virutally *only* into
>>>> self-promotion.
>>>
>>> and walking around india with diamonds saying we should touch lepers is
>>> so
>>> fucken real
>>
>> I think it was real. I think it reflected the compassionate side of her
>> personality.
>>
>
> ok, i'm going to show up at the local soup kitchen in my ecalade with
> spinners "cause there spinnin Ni&&a there Spinnin" blinged out, and press
> all around looking like p-diddi at the source awards. ist that for the poor,
> or was that for me?
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> At least Diana sometimes worked for good causes. And I think she was
>>>> effective at it.
>>>> There's no way Paris Hilton could focus attention on social issues to
>>>> the
>>>> degree that
>>>> Diana did.
>>>
>>> i have more respect for paris
>>
>> I have no respect for Paris.
>>
>
> i'd spend a night in paris
She's good looking, but I don't think she has much inner sex appeal. I come from
an entrirely different generation, though.
>
>
>>
>>> cause 1) she, also does as se believes, she
>>> believes in nothing so thats what she does, 2) that cockeyed proda priss
>>> knows her place 3) she sucks a mean diznik
>
> what nothin?
>
>>>
>>> No one would take her seriously. I'll give Paris Hilton cretdit for that
>>>> much PR savvy, anyway. She knows people would take a cynical view of
>>>> her
>>>> motives if
>>>> she did that. She's no dummy. I don't have much respect for her, but
>>>> she's
>>>> got a
>>>> pretty keen PR sense, at least, in relation to what she wants to get
>>>> out
>>>> of it. She
>>>> knows how to get what she wants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> thats what makes her real, she bought her own DVD on Mtv thats right
>>
>> Who cares if someone is "real" if they are also superficial and shallow?
>
> so who cares about diana,... cause she played one on TV...
lol
> oohh, boom bap
> suprise oooh!!! look down, dont step on it, i think its your face, you might
> want to pick it up... foesheeze
I don't think she was a superficial and shallow as Paris.
>
>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> pj
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