On Aug 4, 7:50 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 01:44:03 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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gmail.com> wrote:>>On Aug 2, 6:48 am, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:37:33 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>On Jul 31, 7:08 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>>>On Jul 28, 11:45 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>>>> Hi everybody,
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>>>>Dry out? Die? Yellow? What exactly do you mean. It is common near the
>>>>end of the flowering for the plant to begin recycling its fan leaves.
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>>> The leaves are drying at the edges, a few have dried completely and
>>> fallen off, others have dry areas. I think what may be causing it is
>>> leaf feeding in the sun. I just have a regular house fan blowing
>>> throughout the day, with windows open. It's very dry here and it's
>>> possible I am under-watering a bit especially on days when I'm gone
>>> for most of the day and evening. Two days per week in succession. I
>>> don't want to over-water. The balance is difficult to achieve without
>>> the expensive tools of the trade - which I'm gradually gathering as I
>>> go into winter and will continue the grow under lights.
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>>Hmmm... Pictures?
Hmmm... well its not normal. Looks like some kind of rot or bugs but I
suppose it could be nutrients too. Either way since there are only a
couple of affected leaves, my guess is some kind of physical damage.
Either from something spilling, or bugs or that kind of thing.
Since there are only a couple of them, I would remove them if the
lesions start to spread. Otherwise, don't trip.
Ideally, I think I recommend larger pots BTW. What are those 1 gallon?
You can't get decent (quantity) results especially in soil with any
less than 2-3 gallons. Preferably 5-10 if you really want full size
plants/good flowers. Don't trip about buying them though. You can get
appropriate empty containers of a number of types for little or
nothing if you look around. My neighbor throws away a big two gallon
protein shake containers about once a week for example. Just keep your
eyes open, drive behind a shopping center, ask at the grocery store
etc. Just tell em you are growing veggies on your patio or sumthin.
> I won't leave them up long so let me know when you've looked them
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Done.
They look pretty good particularly the one you labeled success. Though
its small (too little light and or too small pot). You won't get much,
but if you are patient, it looks like you should get some decent smoke
at the end.
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>>>>> thinking that I should begin to cut those and let the plant's energy
>>>>> go to the buds?
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>>>>*Usually* the way to think of it is this: Don't think of those leaves
>>>>as energy sinks. Those leaves are key factories !and! storage areas
>>>>and a lot of energy that has gone into creating complex chemicals can
>>>>be kept/not lost because the plant will recover/disassemble/relocate
>>>>stored chemicals of various kinds from those leaves until they are
>>>>used up and fall off on their own. The opposing argument usually is
>>>>that once they are shutting down they are just blocking light from
>>>>active parts of the plant. (rather than say diverting the plants
>>>>energy) Still in most cases, its lower leaves that aren't blocking
>>>>much that start to die off so my general attitude is leave em at least
>>>>till they almost fall off by themselves (if not waiting till they
>>>>do)..
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> Yes, a few have fallen off but new are still coming at the top, too.
Yeah, they look reasonably healthy otherwise. They will continue to
grow vegatatively until a few weeks into their flowering, then they
will produce only flowers till the end when they will stop doing even
that. You will know that is happening when the pretty white hairs have
all turned brown. (That marks a point in the cycle that is essentially
way late, people normally harvest when around half have turned brown,
and or no new ones are appearing.) Incidentally, the calyxes (the
little vaginas at the bottom of pairs of white hairs) will start to
swell significantly at (just prior to) this stage as well.
Particularly if they are well fed.
Just remember that it will shrink to half its size or less and weigh
ten times less once dried. When they look fairly big on the plant,
they are still really small in reality. They need to look huge on the
plant to produce any decent bud size when dried. Though, you will get
whatever development you get, and the color and activity level will be
the indicators of completion. I only mention it for context. Patience
is the key to getting potent weed.
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>>> Ok. I won't cut them. I believe in doing things nature's way unless
>>> there's a compelling reason not to. Everything looks healthy - no
>>> bugs, no mold just a few dried leaves near the bottom of the plant.
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Yeah, and they are not even dry. Rather it is a few dry spots on a
couple of leaves. Still at least one of them was apparently damaged
physically. So, the dry spots may be the remnants of whatever injury
caused the truncated leaf.
>>Ok, when you put it that way, I expect its just atrophy.
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>>>>>And stop fertilizing?
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>>>>Stop fertilizing hydro and start flushing about a week before they are
>>>>finished or as soon as you decide they are done. Stop fertilizing soil
>>>>earlier than hydro but still essentially at the end of the cycle when
>>>>floral development is slowing/stopping.
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> They're all in soil - hydro is one of those techie things :)
Yeah, I saw, it will make things simpler. So, just stop feeding them
about 1-2 weeks before they are done or as soon as you know they are.
When its you first grow like this, you wont prolly know you know.. So
ideally you will be on the late side rather than the early. Just wait
till you are sure you they are done and then give them water only for
a few days to a week. If you have been using various fertilizers its
not a bad idea to give them a few days of flushing mid-cycle as well.
It will improve their ability to take up nutrients, often can
rejuvenate flowering, and generally improves the flavor of the final
product.
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>>> Ok. I'm putting miracle grow in the watering can - same as I do for
>>> the house plants (which are all doing great too). I bought some
>>> 20-20-20 but it seemed like it was too strong - that's when I noticed
>>> some leaves looked "burned" so I haven't used it again. It killed a
>>> couple of little plants on me too. I fed them too much too soon, I'm
>>> sure.
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>>Food spikes are pretty foolproof.
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> I have some of those! Same ratio as for house plats as to container
> size?
Eh... Whatever, I used to put a bunch of them in 1-2 gallon containers
back in the 70's. Generally follow the label instruction for flowering
plants.
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> I'm going to bug bomb my house this week - mainly underneath (mobile
> home) because I have to crawl under there & fix something before
> winter. If an insect is causing any kind of problem, that should
> take care of it?
Perhaps. Depends on what you are getting eaten by.
Be patient. You are (it appears) ~4-6 or more weeks from done. If you
wait long enough, you should get a little bit of your own private
label...
