On Aug 2, 6:48 am, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:37:33 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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gmail.com> wrote:>>On Jul 31, 7:08 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>On Jul 28, 11:45 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>> Hi everybody,
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>>>>> Delurking for a new question about WHEN?
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>>>>> My Girl is covered with white, fuzzy buds but under magnification,
>>>>> quite a few are still transparent and only a few reddish brown
>>>>> trichomes showing at 8 weeks from preflower. I don't think she's
>>>>> ready but I like a good cerebral buzz (although a body stone is great
>>>>> too) and I don't want to miss the window.
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>>>>> What say you guru(s) :)
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>>>>depends on what she is. I have some super silver haze for example,
>>>>that is supposed to take 9-12, but its really nice starting at 8 so it
>>>>just depends. I prefer them later.. Just take a small sample and dry
>>>>it out and test/taste it. Either its done (for you) or its not. It
>>>>will also show much better what it really looks like after drying.
>>>>(just make allowances a little for taste and color because of the
>>>>quicker dry.) If I am growing a strain for the first time, I will
>>>>often use one plant to take samples every few days starting at 8 weeks
>>>>and then going way late to get a good profile...
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>>>>Love and Light
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>>> Thank you for your most excellent suggestions :) I'm happy to report
>>> that I followed them with very good results. This is Sativa - and not
>>> quite ready, IMHO - a very small plant grown indoors in a southern
>>> window; so I think waiting 2 weeks or so will be alright. It will
>>> increase the size because this is not quite what I'm looking for as to
>>> yield. I'll watch for about 50%% of the trichomes to darken and
>>> hopefully get bigger - quite a lot are still translucent - and the
>>> resin pods are scant. (I did pull the male).
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>>You may know this already, but there was something about your usage
>>that made me want to assert this: Trichomes, specifically, glandular
>>trichomes in cannabis are hair-like structures a few *cells* long
>>with a ring/head made of a few gland cells that exude resin. An entire
>>trichome is barely visible with the naked eye. Often, the resin head/
>>trichome assembly are referred to collectively by either name.
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> No, I know nothing! I get confused sometimes by what I read - it
> can't be very technical or I get lost.
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;)
I will try to keep that in mind.
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>>Always, the basic rationale of determining completion is to harvest
>>the most thc possible in the best form possible. Best form means
>>several tbings: general smokability, harshness, flavor etc. Also very
>>important is the balance of cbd cbn, thc etc.
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>>There are two common methods of determining completion. One involves
>>the color of the resin/trichomes, the other involves the color of the
>>pistils. Essentially in the case of the resin watch, you are looking
>>to its color for clues about its age and how that generally reflects
>>the issues mentioned above. Some people like clear resin, some like
>>amber/red some like translucent.
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>>With pistil watching, the rationale is that when the pistil dies, the
>>associated floret is no longer developing, and therefore the
>>associated resin is beginning to degrade faster than its created.
>>(considered by many to be the optimum harvest time). So the idea is
>>to harvest when that process peaks, and it is considered to be peaking
>>when there are more in degradation than in development. In the end,
>>each variety is different, and a given plant will also often have a
>>noticeably different character depending on when harvested.
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> My education falls short! Yes, I'm pistil watching and I doubt if the
> camera can pick up the trichomes at 4x :)
Ah! good. I am glad I took the time to clarify. Yes, it does feel like
we are using the language the same now.
>The buds are still growing
> - actually very small and I think two or even three more weeks will
> make a change. I doubt I'll wait too long :)
You are better off to err on the patient side. And remember that
anything you are looking at fresh will shrink ~50%% when dry so when
you are judging how big something is remember that.
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>>I like them all (i.e., all combinations). Its a matter of mood for me.
>>The point being there is no magic number because it is a matter of
>>taste. That brings us full circle to finding out what you like through
>>basic science.
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> As a scientist, I suck. My method is trial and error - mostly error -
> except that you are a big help. Thanks again
My pleasure. Keep reporting.
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>>> I took two clones from her that are doing well - putting out new
>>> growth - and I bought a light and a roll of Mylar.
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>>> Couple of questions: bigger fan leaves are starting to dry out -
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>>Dry out? Die? Yellow? What exactly do you mean. It is common near the
>>end of the flowering for the plant to begin recycling its fan leaves.
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> The leaves are drying at the edges, a few have dried completely and
> fallen off, others have dry areas. I think what may be causing it is
> leaf feeding in the sun. I just have a regular house fan blowing
> throughout the day, with windows open. It's very dry here and it's
> possible I am under-watering a bit especially on days when I'm gone
> for most of the day and evening. Two days per week in succession. I
> don't want to over-water. The balance is difficult to achieve without
> the expensive tools of the trade - which I'm gradually gathering as I
> go into winter and will continue the grow under lights.
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Hmmm... Pictures?
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>>> I'm
>>> thinking that I should begin to cut those and let the plant's energy
>>> go to the buds?
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>>*Usually* the way to think of it is this: Don't think of those leaves
>>as energy sinks. Those leaves are key factories !and! storage areas
>>and a lot of energy that has gone into creating complex chemicals can
>>be kept/not lost because the plant will recover/disassemble/relocate
>>stored chemicals of various kinds from those leaves until they are
>>used up and fall off on their own. The opposing argument usually is
>>that once they are shutting down they are just blocking light from
>>active parts of the plant. (rather than say diverting the plants
>>energy) Still in most cases, its lower leaves that aren't blocking
>>much that start to die off so my general attitude is leave em at least
>>till they almost fall off by themselves (if not waiting till they
>>do)..
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> Ok. I won't cut them. I believe in doing things nature's way unless
> there's a compelling reason not to. Everything looks healthy - no
> bugs, no mold just a few dried leaves near the bottom of the plant.
Ok, when you put it that way, I expect its just atrophy.
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>>>And stop fertilizing?
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>>Stop fertilizing hydro and start flushing about a week before they are
>>finished or as soon as you decide they are done. Stop fertilizing soil
>>earlier than hydro but still essentially at the end of the cycle when
>>floral development is slowing/stopping.
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> Ok. I'm putting miracle grow in the watering can - same as I do for
> the house plants (which are all doing great too). I bought some
> 20-20-20 but it seemed like it was too strong - that's when I noticed
> some leaves looked "burned" so I haven't used it again. It killed a
> couple of little plants on me too. I fed them too much too soon, I'm
> sure.
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Food spikes are pretty foolproof.
>>> I must say, it was quite good for such a little bit of a thing and
>>> being dried in the dehydrator too - gave me the munchies :)
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>>Yay! I just harvested a few onces of some delicious Super Silver Haze
>>myself. Everyone has been really jazzed. My neighbor start coughing
>>and drooling and finally barfed after a too big bong hit. It was an
>>impressive sight. ;-)
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> I can't seem to order those seeds without a major hassle. I have no
> idea what I'm growing except it's a strain of Sativa - just from
> looking at pictures :) It all smokes. I've not ever barfed but I've
> sure blown smoke coughing up a storm - must be really good shit :)
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>>> MK
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>>Whatever little light I can provide gives me joy! Best of luck with
>>your crop.
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> LOL. You're very helpful and again thanks. One plant and two clones
> is hardly a crop but I do have three more seedlings making headway.
> One is for sure a girl (I'm going to clone two again)- one is most
> likely a male - big guy, and one is still too small to tell. About
> every other seedling is male and I start a new one every two weeks but
> they turn out to be about a month apart. I'm limited by space to grow
> more. If I can harvest once every couple of months, it'll keep me a
> while. Maybe they'll pass HR 5843 and make it legal next year .
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> Am wondering - these plants don't seem to have any odor (which is
> good, I'm not complaining - the neighbors, you know). The seeds came
> from some really stinky pot and I'm thinking it doesn't smell like
> that - maybe until you dry it?
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>>Love and Light
