On Aug 27, 6:30 am, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:52:40 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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gmail.com> wrote:>>On Aug 25, 4:30 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:40 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>On Aug 24, 6:52 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>>>On Aug 18, 11:27 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>>>> I have to tell you, I'm not sure at all about this cloning stuff.
>
>>>>>>> Had a nice plant growing that had not declared yet but the second girl
>>>>> Well, everything is still green although I've found that it takes
>>>>> several weeks for the clones to get going and grow any. I'll order
>>>>> the Vitamin b1 next week.
>
>>>>Could be.... Temp and light are very important too!
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> [snipt]
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>>> I turn on the lights at 6am and off about 10pm. It hasn't stopped the
>>> budding girls from growing their flowers.
>
>>The lights have only been on for a short time now though right? It
>>takes them a minute to change direction from veg to flower etc. There
>>are a few varieties that will flower no matter what once they are old
>>enough, but most will switch back and forth depending the day length.
>
> Right - about two weeks. The lights have made the clones start to veg
> - and I think transplanting them has helped too. I didn't do the
> cloning the way the video showed - I don't have the right equipment so
> what I did this last time too was take the cuttings and using those
> little peat moss cups: I put about 1/4 inch of seed starter soil (a
> commercial mix) then filled the cup with perlite. I then made a hole
> in the soil of the pot I intended for them to grow in and placed the
> cup into the hole. Then soaked everything for a bit with water - just
> kept adding water until the perlite and the peat cup were well soaked.
> Then I took the cuttings and stuck them down into the perlite and put
> a bit more of the seed starter soil around them to hold them upright.
> I covered them with glass flower vases and casserole dishes that I
> bought at the thrift store. I thought they wouldn't have to be
> replanted - but since I did transplant them into the larger pots,
> they're doing some growing. Apparently the first two months they were
> growing roots?
Yeah prolly, the extra light made some difference too I expect.
>
> I added the new lights then too so hard to tell what made the
> difference :)
>
>
Yeah bottom line is the first couple months are about building the
highways that will carry the traffic above and below ground) needed
to produce and develop flowers.
>
>>> The big girl is almost
>>> ready - maybe 30%% red hairs and the resin is really showing with the
>>> camera today. I thought about putting her in the dark (bathroom) to
>>> help her hurry but decided that I'd just let her go on growing. Aside
>>> from the burnt leaves we talked about, she's looking great. Another
>>> week or10 days and I'll take her, I think. (all at once or just the
>>> buds that are ready??)
>
>>Yeah, well be patient.
>
> It's getting hard to wait! LOL
I know. Just remember this is almost the most important skill in
cannabis culture. Its less important for some strains than others, but
just getting good ripe flowers (and then a proper cure) will give you
really good smoke from just about any variety.
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>>> The second girl has at least 12 weeks to go so I'm sure to have a gap
>>> once I start smoking. That's ok. There will be a bigger gap after
>>> her - darnit :) I'm spacing them closer now with the new pots and the
>>> new lights and waiting on the new seeds. (Fingers crossed)
>
>>Cool, I get the impression you have them all together, you will need
>>to keep your flowering plants separate from your vegs or you never
>>going to get proper results with a rolling harvest.
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> Yes, I have them all together in one place because they're in the back
> of the house and safe from prying eyes - and only the two lamps so
> far. I am not understanding why keep the flowering plants separated?
> Not sure where I could put them otherwise but I'll listen up and do
> what I can to follow your directions.
You need to partition them into flowering and non-flowering. The
flowering plants must have ~12 hours uninterrupted darkness
consistently to properly produce and sustain floral development.
put up a black plastic sheet perhaps?
>
>>> About drying here's my idea: in the bathroom I have a closet that
>>> gets no light. I thought I'd cut her down, put her inside a paper bag
>>> and close it at the top and tie it shut with just the stem in the neck
>>> of the bag. She'll hang inside the bag (upside down) without getting
>>> any sunlight sitting on the floor of the closet. As dry as this
>>> climate is, it should only take a week or so to dry out. Should I
>>> poke a small hole or two in the bag for some air circulation? And
>>> yes, I expect I'll loose a bit of THC to the bag (don't think I want
>>> to smoke that!) but if there's a better way...... or unless I should
>>> just take one bud at a time??? (so many questions)
>
>>Heh, yeah, well that is not bad, and don't worry about loss to the
>>bag.
>
> Ok.
>
>>Here quoted from green man is almost exactly what I do.
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>>1. Flush out the plants nutrients (fertilizer) right before cutting
>>the buds off. You can buy flush at any nursery or just water without
>>fertilizer for the last week or so. Hydro systems flush in 4 to 8
>>days, while soil takes 7 to 14 days to flush. Don't use a slow release
>>fertilizer indoors.
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> I've been using the plant sticks since you suggested them and just
> watering with well water - no chemicals added to the well. We have
> good hard water here :) I'll not add any more to the girl I'm going
> to harvest after I see the buds turning red - but right now, they're
> still getting bigger and are not big enough for me yet.
Yes, I would not add any more right now, but I would not remove them
either.
>
>>2. Harvest crops when 50 to 80%% of the pistils (hairs) have turned
>>color. Leave a little bit of a stem on each bud. Cut off the bigger
>>fan leaves and use them to make pure thc honeyoil.
>
> Will do.
>
>>3. Drying buds must be done slowly so the biochemical process goes on
>>properly, but not too slow that mold is produced. Control the humidity
>>with ventilation. The first few days you allow more ventilation and as
>>the plants get dryer you allow less. Drying can take up to six weeks.
>
> It's very dry here. Almost zero humidity. I've dried parsley and
> other herbs in a week or less just by hanging them up in the window.
> I've since learned that sun drying robs the flavor though and have
> dried many fruits and veggies in the dehydrator with better results.
> With the pot though, I want to make sure it's not dried *too* fast so
> that's why I thought the bag would be better. The older it is, the
> better it will smoke?
>
>>You will then have potent, tasty, fragrant nuggets to smoke. We hang
>>our buds upside down. The plants or branches should be loose and have
>>some space between it and the next. A good cure lasts for from 3 to 6
>>weeks but good results can be had in two weeks or so. The idea is to
>>remove the water slowly enough to let biological processes take place
>>to convert the sugars and starches into harmless and flavorful
>>compounds. Sugar or starch will give a harsh smoke that hurts the
>>lungs. Plants need sugars to live on and they produce them from
>>fertilizer and sunlight. This curing process also breaks down some of
>>the chlorophyll which give herb it's green color. Too much chlorophyll
>>gives an unwanted leafy taste. Never use newspaper to cure anything
>>because of the poisons and toxins.
>
>>Study your plants and as soon as the stems are a little stiff they
>>have lost around 50%% of their moisture. As soon as the leaves get
>>crispy, reduce the ventilation. Crispyness should happen in two weeks.
>
> They'll get crispy here in a few days! How can I slow this down?
> They'll be yuky if I can't?
Well strictly speaking they wont be yucky, but the slower the better
for sure. Just keep in mind the underlying issue that you want the
plant to remain alive for as long as possible as they dry, Various
substances are breaking down and becoming more palatable.
>
>>Never cut off ventilation completely. When the leaves get stiff it
>>takes anywhere up to 4 weeks to finish. When to stop drying is your
>>call. Sometimes people go by the color of the herb as it gets less
>>green as drying goes on. Buds stay greener than leaves. You will be
>>the proud owner of sweet smoking good tasting nugz without any
>>harshness. The plants will begin to stink as you dry them. This is the
>>nice curing smell everybody is after.
>
>>> Then, I figured I would freeze the buds in an air tight baggie for a
>>> week or two?
>
>>No... Why?
>
> Something I read - somewhere. That freezing increases the THC. No? I
> won't do it then.
Once they are cured/dried completely you can freeze them (in
appropriate glass or seal a meal type plastic) to preserve them for
long storage.
>
> [snipt]
>
>>Well you are a good student and appear to be doing pretty much
>>everything in your cutting procedure correctly.
>
> Good.
>
>>Hmm.. well remember all the conditions in the grow affect how tall
>>they get how quickly. So its it will be apples and oranges for a while
>>till you have done a few more plants to really know how big is big is
>>less big etc. Really when you think of males getting bigger, you can
>>only compare the growth rates of plants that are growing together
>>under identical circumstances. Like if you plant 20 seeds, and about
>>ten of them are clearly substantially bigger than the others, those
>>are males prolly.
>
>>Perhaps you are getting better at it?
>
>>:)
>
> One would hope :) My rolling harvest idea has been slow starting. I
> have the one plant almost ready to go to harvest (maybe next month)
> and then a wide gap until the second girl can be taken - 3 or 4 months
> maybe. Then the two clones from the first girl should be ready soon
> after that. Then the two clones from the second girl that I just
> took. Then the (4) clones from the cut-down plant that we don't know
> what they are yet that might have to be yanked along with that plant.
> Then I have two more seedlings that are about 3 inches out of the
> ground. And I started two more seeds last weekend. So maybe by
> February I can say I have a little crop - LOL!
>
Like I said, just be real patient. (do keep the vegging and flowering
plants apart with respect to day length. Think of it this way : they
may all share light but the flowering plants must have their
uninterrupted night time of 12 hours. You can let them share light
till the eve, and then cover the fowering plants till morning. Or you
can have separate lights and timers for the two types of plants. with
18/6 or 20/4 for the vegging plants, and 12/12 for the flowers
>>>>And you are quite excellent at graciously receiving said help. It
>>>>makes it my pleasure.
>
>>>>Love and Light
>
>>> I'm glad you are the kind of person who doesn't begrudge teaching
>>> someone. Even in college I ran into people who didn't want to share
>>> their knowledge even with the students they were being paid to teach.
>>> It's some kind of "superiority" thing. "I know but you have to find
>>> out on your own - if you can ". Well, I can but I have to care :)
>
>>Ah well, not me, I don't mind and will share anything I imagine will
>>be comprehended.
>
> That's what I like about pot smokers - most are generous and good
> hearted. I will remember your thoughts and pass them on when a new
> student appears. That's the "right" way for the world to go round,
> IMHO.
Once again you demonstrate your excellence!
>
>>> Growing pot is not hard - it *is* a weed after all - but growing
>>> *good* pot is challenging and why bother if you're not going to put in
>>> the effort to make it *good*?
>
>>You are excellent. It really is my pleasure to help you.
>
> You make me blush :)
>
Sweet... . ;)
Love and Light
> MK
