On Aug 25, 7:30 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:40 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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gmail.com> wrote:>>On Aug 24, 6:52 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>On Aug 18, 11:27 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>> I have to tell you, I'm not sure at all about this cloning stuff.
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>>>>> Had a nice plant growing that had not declared yet but the second girl
>>> Well, everything is still green although I've found that it takes
>>> several weeks for the clones to get going and grow any. I'll order
>>> the Vitamin b1 next week.
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>>Could be.... Temp and light are very important too!
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> I can't do a lot for them temperature wise except open windows and
> keep a fan on them to keep the air moving - which I will do even after
> I have to close windows and storm window them against the cold. It's
> probably 90 degrees today - which I'm not complaining about :) In
> winter, I have new EC wall Panel heaters with a propane furnace for
> backup. It will be cooler than now but less fluctuation between days
> and nights. I hope they'll adapt with plenty of light.
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>>> That could be what they're lacking. Also
>>> got another light rigged this weekend and have noticed that the plants
>>> all look much greener and healthier since going to the artificial
>>> light.
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>>Yes! A little more light can make a big difference.
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> Oh, you should see my silver palace :) It's quite bright with the
> Mylar and they're all looking good today.
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> [snipt]
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>>Yeah, one thing you could do would be to help these revert to veg for
>>a week or two. When you take clones make sure the clones are getting
>>at least 16 hours of light.
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> I turn on the lights at 6am and off about 10pm. It hasn't stopped the
> budding girls from growing their flowers. The big girl is almost
> ready - maybe 30%% red hairs and the resin is really showing with the
> camera today. I thought about putting her in the dark (bathroom) to
> help her hurry but decided that I'd just let her go on growing. Aside
> from the burnt leaves we talked about, she's looking great. Another
> week or10 days and I'll take her, I think. (all at once or just the
> buds that are ready??)
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> The second girl has at least 12 weeks to go so I'm sure to have a gap
> once I start smoking. That's ok. There will be a bigger gap after
> her - darnit :) I'm spacing them closer now with the new pots and the
> new lights and waiting on the new seeds. (Fingers crossed)
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> About drying here's my idea: in the bathroom I have a closet that
> gets no light. I thought I'd cut her down, put her inside a paper bag
> and close it at the top and tie it shut with just the stem in the neck
> of the bag. She'll hang inside the bag (upside down) without getting
> any sunlight sitting on the floor of the closet. As dry as this
> climate is, it should only take a week or so to dry out. Should I
> poke a small hole or two in the bag for some air circulation? And
> yes, I expect I'll loose a bit of THC to the bag (don't think I want
> to smoke that!) but if there's a better way...... or unless I should
> just take one bud at a time??? (so many questions)
Trimming the buds and putting them into a paper
grocery bag to dry slowly, then into a jar to cure,
works, too. Cut off the stems at least to speed
drying by giving the moisture more places to
leave. Trimming the leaves is up to you.
Some think they guard the fragile trichomes
when they close up, like a natural wrapper.
> Then, I figured I would freeze the buds in an air tight baggie for a
> week or two?
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>>>>Specifically, razors are generally best because they cut rather than
>>>>crush. I am actually much more dangerous with scissors than a blade
>>>>cause I often inadvertently get too much between the blade.
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>>> I have carpal tunnel syndrome - my right hand is not to strong or too
>>> steady (apparently!) so I think I'll try the scissors and see if I
>>> don't do better that the razor blade.
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>>Just make sure they are super sharp.
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> Well, I have a sharpening steel for my kitchen knives - cripes, I
> could hurt myself ! LOL
Steels don't really sharpen a knife, they realign (and work-harden)
the edge after it's been bent over by normal use. Abrasives
sharpen, by removing steel. Wet-dry sandpaper wrapped around
small blocks of wood, like spring clothes pin halves, make a
good substitute for diamond files or expensive oil stones.
600 grit will give you a razor edge. Auto stores like Pep Boys
sell grits way down to 2,000 which will produce a nicely
sharpened mirror -finished edge.
To sharpen scissors, file only the bevel, never the
back of the blades. Remove the burr by opening and
closing the scissors a few times. Normally, you
maintain the factory bevel angle to keep the edge
durable, but for turning cuticle scissors into
bonsai scissors, lay the bevel back to between
30 and 45 degrees. The edge will be plenty durable,
since you're only cutting soft, green stems, but
it'll shear through cleanly withoug crushing, like a
razor blade.
> [snipt]
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>>> I got a powder at the local garden store - is the gel superior - I'll
>>> have to get it on line.
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>>Gel is superior because it seals the cutting preventing embolisms and
>>reducing the odds of infection. Powder does work, particularly its ok
>>for soil. Its also a little easier to work with in some ways.
>>Personally, I would just stick with the powder since you have it
>>already. Your needs don't merit buying Gel at this point I think.
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> At the rate I'm going, this stuff will last a while but I'll buy the
> gel when I need to replace it.
Rootone F or equivalent is cheap and sold in supermarkets. As
long as I don't do something stupid like taking off the humidity
dome a week early, I get 95%% successful takes. Olvia's cloning
gel works a *little* better, but it costs ten times as much
and I have to drive 30 miles across town through at least
five open air crack markets to get it.
>>>>Remember to keep your tools clean. Don't dip into your cloning stuff.
>>>>Always a) clean your knife between cuttings, b) pour a tiny but of
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>>> I used alcohol in a saucer then let it air dry.
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>>>>your gel into another container for dipping instead of the main
>>>>container. Throw away any of the small amount of gel you don't use.
>>>>Otherwise, you risk spreading fungi/bacteria and losing your clones.
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>>> Yes, I tossed out the little bit of powder that was left over.
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>>Sounds like you know what you are doing here generally.
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> I listen and read. I really know nothing but I'm getting there.
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>>>>Spray your cuttings with a dilute solution of vit b1 (plus a wetting
>>>>agent or a 1/4 tsp detergent per liter of water). This will help them
>>>>root more quickly as well. (There are a number of products that work
>>>>really good for this... I use jumpstart from advanced nutrients.
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>>> Well, I'll have a real shopping list when I do an order :) I never
>>> heard of this - but, I have been using a tiny bit of Miracle Grow with
>>> water in a spray bottle to wet them twice a day. They seem to like
>>> that and as I said, they haven't crumped yet.
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>>Yes, that's a decent approach. FYI, Jumpstart is b1, humic acid and
>>seaweed extract.
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> Yes, I looked it up. It's on my want list at HTG Supply. Was quite
> happy with my last order from them so will get it coming soon.
Shultz transplant solution is B1 and phosphorus enriched. Never
seen a plant fail with it -- or without it, for that matter.
>>>>Don't feel bad. Its just part of the learning...
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>>> Oh, I'm over it but it sure set me back confidence wise - I felt I was
>>> doing so well and then... But, you're right. I'll just go on and keep
>>> trying
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>>Indeed. Well, given your description of how it happened, I would not
>>let it affect my confidence. You did not make an error in judgment,
>>only in aim!
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> You are so right! I do the same darn thing bowling. Look one place
> and throw the ball somewhere else entirely! We can only do what we
> can do and the rest is luck :)
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>>Besides, there is never any good reason to abuse yourself
>>psychically. ;) Dont worry, be happy.
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> Well, I'm harder on myself than anybody else is but I'm trying to get
> over that - lots less type A when I can get high - soon now :)
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>>>. It was only one plant and I'll just call it a boy and toss it
>>> out here pretty soon, huh?
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>>Well, no, unless there are no nodes left on the plant, it prolly won't
>>mind too much. If it is still alive, I expect it will be ok. I would
>>not throw it out...
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> Not yet - but maybe I'm getting an instinct about some of this. The
> girls are usually showing themselves before they get as big as this
> plant (was). The little hairs show up at about 8 weeks and they just
> keep showing up. The boys - which out-number the girls now 4 to 2 -
> dink around and dink around - then they finally show their little boy
> selves and it's "oh, darn another one".
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>>>>Love and Light
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>>> Thanks. As always, you're such a big help!
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>>> MK
>>And you are quite excellent at graciously receiving said help. It
>>makes it my pleasure.
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>>Love and Light
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> I'm glad you are the kind of person who doesn't begrudge teaching
> someone. Even in college I ran into people who didn't want to share
> their knowledge even with the students they were being paid to teach.
> It's some kind of "superiority" thing. "I know but you have to find
> out on your own - if you can ". Well, I can but I have to care :)
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> Growing pot is not hard - it *is* a weed after all - but growing
> *good* pot is challenging and why bother if you're not going to put in
> the effort to make it *good*?
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> I like to garden and ate my first homegrown, sun-ripened on the vine
> tomato today! Life is good :)
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> MK
