On Aug 25, 4:30 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:40 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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gmail.com> wrote:>>On Aug 24, 6:52 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT), Mycoloteur
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>>>>On Aug 18, 11:27 pm, Mariah Kaze
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>> I have to tell you, I'm not sure at all about this cloning stuff.
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>>>>> Had a nice plant growing that had not declared yet but the second girl
>>> Well, everything is still green although I've found that it takes
>>> several weeks for the clones to get going and grow any. I'll order
>>> the Vitamin b1 next week.
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>>Could be.... Temp and light are very important too!
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> I can't do a lot for them temperature wise except open windows and
> keep a fan on them to keep the air moving - which I will do even after
> I have to close windows and storm window them against the cold. It's
> probably 90 degrees today - which I'm not complaining about :) In
> winter, I have new EC wall Panel heaters with a propane furnace for
> backup. It will be cooler than now but less fluctuation between days
> and nights. I hope they'll adapt with plenty of light.
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Should be ok.
>>> That could be what they're lacking. Also
>>> got another light rigged this weekend and have noticed that the plants
>>> all look much greener and healthier since going to the artificial
>>> light.
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>>Yes! A little more light can make a big difference.
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> Oh, you should see my silver palace :) It's quite bright with the
> Mylar and they're all looking good today.
:)
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> [snipt]
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>>Yeah, one thing you could do would be to help these revert to veg for
>>a week or two. When you take clones make sure the clones are getting
>>at least 16 hours of light.
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> I turn on the lights at 6am and off about 10pm. It hasn't stopped the
> budding girls from growing their flowers.
The lights have only been on for a short time now though right? It
takes them a minute to change direction from veg to flower etc. There
are a few varieties that will flower no matter what once they are old
enough, but most will switch back and forth depending the day length.
> The big girl is almost
> ready - maybe 30%% red hairs and the resin is really showing with the
> camera today. I thought about putting her in the dark (bathroom) to
> help her hurry but decided that I'd just let her go on growing. Aside
> from the burnt leaves we talked about, she's looking great. Another
> week or10 days and I'll take her, I think. (all at once or just the
> buds that are ready??)
>
Yeah, well be patient.
> The second girl has at least 12 weeks to go so I'm sure to have a gap
> once I start smoking. That's ok. There will be a bigger gap after
> her - darnit :) I'm spacing them closer now with the new pots and the
> new lights and waiting on the new seeds. (Fingers crossed)
Cool, I get the impression you have them all together, you will need
to keep your flowering plants separate from your vegs or you never
going to get proper results with a rolling harvest.
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> About drying here's my idea: in the bathroom I have a closet that
> gets no light. I thought I'd cut her down, put her inside a paper bag
> and close it at the top and tie it shut with just the stem in the neck
> of the bag. She'll hang inside the bag (upside down) without getting
> any sunlight sitting on the floor of the closet. As dry as this
> climate is, it should only take a week or so to dry out. Should I
> poke a small hole or two in the bag for some air circulation? And
> yes, I expect I'll loose a bit of THC to the bag (don't think I want
> to smoke that!) but if there's a better way...... or unless I should
> just take one bud at a time??? (so many questions)
Heh, yeah, well that is not bad, and don't worry about loss to the
bag.
Here quoted from green man is almost exactly what I do.
1. Flush out the plants nutrients (fertilizer) right before cutting
the buds off. You can buy flush at any nursery or just water without
fertilizer for the last week or so. Hydro systems flush in 4 to 8
days, while soil takes 7 to 14 days to flush. Don't use a slow release
fertilizer indoors.
2. Harvest crops when 50 to 80%% of the pistils (hairs) have turned
color. Leave a little bit of a stem on each bud. Cut off the bigger
fan leaves and use them to make pure thc honeyoil.
3. Drying buds must be done slowly so the biochemical process goes on
properly, but not too slow that mold is produced. Control the humidity
with ventilation. The first few days you allow more ventilation and as
the plants get dryer you allow less. Drying can take up to six weeks.
You will then have potent, tasty, fragrant nuggets to smoke. We hang
our buds upside down. The plants or branches should be loose and have
some space between it and the next. A good cure lasts for from 3 to 6
weeks but good results can be had in two weeks or so. The idea is to
remove the water slowly enough to let biological processes take place
to convert the sugars and starches into harmless and flavorful
compounds. Sugar or starch will give a harsh smoke that hurts the
lungs. Plants need sugars to live on and they produce them from
fertilizer and sunlight. This curing process also breaks down some of
the chlorophyll which give herb it's green color. Too much chlorophyll
gives an unwanted leafy taste. Never use newspaper to cure anything
because of the poisons and toxins.
Study your plants and as soon as the stems are a little stiff they
have lost around 50%% of their moisture. As soon as the leaves get
crispy, reduce the ventilation. Crispyness should happen in two weeks.
Never cut off ventilation completely. When the leaves get stiff it
takes anywhere up to 4 weeks to finish. When to stop drying is your
call. Sometimes people go by the color of the herb as it gets less
green as drying goes on. Buds stay greener than leaves. You will be
the proud owner of sweet smoking good tasting nugz without any
harshness. The plants will begin to stink as you dry them. This is the
nice curing smell everybody is after.
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> Then, I figured I would freeze the buds in an air tight baggie for a
> week or two?
No... Why?
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>>>>Specifically, razors are generally best because they cut rather than
>>>>crush. I am actually much more dangerous with scissors than a blade
>>>>cause I often inadvertently get too much between the blade.
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>>> I have carpal tunnel syndrome - my right hand is not to strong or too
>>> steady (apparently!) so I think I'll try the scissors and see if I
>>> don't do better that the razor blade.
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>>Just make sure they are super sharp.
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> Well, I have a sharpening steel for my kitchen knives - cripes, I
> could hurt myself ! LOL
Hmmm.. well just be careful. Maybe another solution will become
apparent. ;)
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> [snipt]
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>>> I got a powder at the local garden store - is the gel superior - I'll
>>> have to get it on line.
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>>Gel is superior because it seals the cutting preventing embolisms and
>>reducing the odds of infection. Powder does work, particularly its ok
>>for soil. Its also a little easier to work with in some ways.
>>Personally, I would just stick with the powder since you have it
>>already. Your needs don't merit buying Gel at this point I think.
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> At the rate I'm going, this stuff will last a while but I'll buy the
> gel when I need to replace it.
Perfect
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>>>>Remember to keep your tools clean. Don't dip into your cloning stuff.
>>>>Always a) clean your knife between cuttings, b) pour a tiny but of
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>>> I used alcohol in a saucer then let it air dry.
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>>>>your gel into another container for dipping instead of the main
>>>>container. Throw away any of the small amount of gel you don't use.
>>>>Otherwise, you risk spreading fungi/bacteria and losing your clones.
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>>> Yes, I tossed out the little bit of powder that was left over.
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>>Sounds like you know what you are doing here generally.
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> I listen and read. I really know nothing but I'm getting there.
Well you are a good student and appear to be doing pretty much
everything in your cutting procedure correctly.
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>>>>Spray your cuttings with a dilute solution of vit b1 (plus a wetting
>>>>agent or a 1/4 tsp detergent per liter of water). This will help them
>>>>root more quickly as well. (There are a number of products that work
>>>>really good for this... I use jumpstart from advanced nutrients.
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>>> Well, I'll have a real shopping list when I do an order :) I never
>>> heard of this - but, I have been using a tiny bit of Miracle Grow with
>>> water in a spray bottle to wet them twice a day. They seem to like
>>> that and as I said, they haven't crumped yet.
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>>Yes, that's a decent approach. FYI, Jumpstart is b1, humic acid and
>>seaweed extract.
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> Yes, I looked it up. It's on my want list at HTG Supply. Was quite
> happy with my last order from them so will get it coming soon.
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cool
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>>>>Don't feel bad. Its just part of the learning...
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>>> Oh, I'm over it but it sure set me back confidence wise - I felt I was
>>> doing so well and then... But, you're right. I'll just go on and keep
>>> trying
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>>Indeed. Well, given your description of how it happened, I would not
>>let it affect my confidence. You did not make an error in judgment,
>>only in aim!
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> You are so right! I do the same darn thing bowling. Look one place
> and throw the ball somewhere else entirely! We can only do what we
> can do and the rest is luck :)
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>>Besides, there is never any good reason to abuse yourself
>>psychically. ;) Dont worry, be happy.
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> Well, I'm harder on myself than anybody else is but I'm trying to get
> over that - lots less type A when I can get high - soon now :)
Good work. You will succeed I am sure.
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>>>. It was only one plant and I'll just call it a boy and toss it
>>> out here pretty soon, huh?
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>>Well, no, unless there are no nodes left on the plant, it prolly won't
>>mind too much. If it is still alive, I expect it will be ok. I would
>>not throw it out...
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> Not yet - but maybe I'm getting an instinct about some of this. The
> girls are usually showing themselves before they get as big as this
> plant (was). The little hairs show up at about 8 weeks and they just
> keep showing up. The boys - which out-number the girls now 4 to 2 -
> dink around and dink around - then they finally show their little boy
> selves and it's "oh, darn another one".
Hmm.. well remember all the conditions in the grow affect how tall
they get how quickly. So its it will be apples and oranges for a while
till you have done a few more plants to really know how big is big is
less big etc. Really when you think of males getting bigger, you can
only compare the growth rates of plants that are growing together
under identical circumstances. Like if you plant 20 seeds, and about
ten of them are clearly substantially bigger than the others, those
are males prolly.
Perhaps you are getting better at it?
:)
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>>>>Love and Light
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>>> Thanks. As always, you're such a big help!
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>>> MK
>>And you are quite excellent at graciously receiving said help. It
>>makes it my pleasure.
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>>Love and Light
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> I'm glad you are the kind of person who doesn't begrudge teaching
> someone. Even in college I ran into people who didn't want to share
> their knowledge even with the students they were being paid to teach.
> It's some kind of "superiority" thing. "I know but you have to find
> out on your own - if you can ". Well, I can but I have to care :)
Ah well, not me, I don't mind and will share anything I imagine will
be comprehended.
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> Growing pot is not hard - it *is* a weed after all - but growing
> *good* pot is challenging and why bother if you're not going to put in
> the effort to make it *good*?
You are excellent. It really is my pleasure to help you.
>
> I like to garden and ate my first homegrown, sun-ripened on the vine
> tomato today! Life is good :)
Indeed!
Love and Light
>
> MK
