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Author: Raymond
Date: Jul 3, 2006 09:05

Bongblaster wrote:
> When the U.S. Supreme Court stopped the Florida vote count because Gore
> was going to win and gave nonsensical, illogical reasons for doing it,
> The Five asserted they were Republicans first and Justices second. If
> Bush had been increasing his lead over Gore instead of losing ground,
> the court would have allowed ALL of the votes to be counted, and
> gushed, gushed, gushed about democracy-means-counting-votes; you can
> bet your sweet legal ass on that.
>
>
> OBL's chauffeur sues the President of the United States ... AND WINS!

Topic:
"U.S Supreme Court begins to rehabilitate its soiled image"

" The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law allegiance. He, of all
men, should behave as though the law compelled him. But it is the
universal weakness of mankind that what we are given to administer we
presently imagine we own."

--- H.G. Wells, Outline of History

"On the whole, the common men were fairly content to live under lord or
king or god and obey their bidding. It was safer. It was easier. All
animals-and man is no exception - begin life as dependents. Most men
never shake themselves loose from the desire for leading and
protection. Most men accept such conditions as they are born to without

further question."

--- H.G.Wells, Outline of History

The Supreme Court will never rehabilitate its image until the process
by which these rubber stamp robots are selected and appointed changes.
The president of these United states should be the last person on the
planet who has anything to do with appointing political ambulance
chasing lawyers to the high office.

When it comes to appointing Supreme Court Justices, children could have
done a better job than those rich old men wearing bloomers and drag
queen wigs. The entire Constitution needs to be deleated . (Smoke it
since it's printed on hemp)

Start all over. George III never had the power that our political hack
presidents have. There are no checks and balances. The Congress is
generally a rubber stamp for the corporate straw men that are selected
by the CEOs of the greedy 500 corps and the weapons manufacturers. And
the Supreme Court is a super laugh..

Sirens should be outlawed within miles of the Supreme Court building
since the 9 ambulance chasing pettifoggers inside lose their
concentration when sirens remind them of the good old days listening to
their scanners waiting for auto accidents.

The whole process is similar to a sexual daisy chain

The 2000 election should have been a lesson. Think about it. In the
end, ONE
AMERICAN VOTE cancelled out the effort of all those voting fools who
believe they are electing the prostitute commander of the upper
classes. Republican and Democat alike. No profession, including drug
dealing and prostitution is as corrupt and dangerous to the American
people as the corrupt power of the elected hustler federal politician.

This is the newest age of "Scum" politicians. If there is anything
alive, lower than a politician and his lobbyist friends, it still needs
to be found.

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.
But, I repeat myself."
--Mark Twain

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities, has the
power to make you commit injustices."
--- Voltaire

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn:
You can have power over people as long as you don't take everything
away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no
longer in your power.

I can't help but wonder: Would the Framers (Framers indeed) still
believe that the president should be the one to appoint candidates to
the Supreme Court? It is doubtful. And who said that judges should
serve for life? There's nothing in the constitution that says they
serve for life, it says "for good behavior." What the hell does tha
mean?

SEE:
Beyond politics: Why Supreme Court justices are appointed for life
By Roger Cossack
Law Center Contributing Editor
http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/07/columns/cossack.scotus.07.12/

"Stupid is as stupid does."
-Forrest Gump

Maybe the greatest blunder in the Constitution is in how Supreme Court
judges are appointed and approved. The president should not be the one
to appoint anyone so eventually powerful for life to such a high
office. Judges are nominated for political reasons only and not because
they have exceptional legal acumen. In fact, it is generally because of
their narrow-mindedness on many issues that they are candidates in the
first place. All too often a political hack lawyer, like Clarence
(Coke
Can)Thomas, is appointed because he or she is in tune with the
political philosophy of the executive and his gang of bandits, or
because some ethnic or religious element has to be satisfied . As well,
the American people can be the losers when a hostile Senate rejects a
worthy presidential appointee. Would you ask the president to nominate
a
surgeon to operate on you if you had a severe medical condition that
required an expert in the field needed to save your life? Hell no, you
would ask other surgeons and specialists - I hope. The appointment and
the voting for judges should be made by people completely outside of
government.

SEE: A Nation in Trouble
The Presidency has been the chief source of danger to the American
people since the very inception of the American Federal republic.

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always
declares that it is his duty." -George Bernard Shaw

Several states have chosen to make judges, even state Supreme Court
judges, stand for election every so often. Their theory is that the
judiciary, like all other representatives of the people, should have to
answer to the people by getting votes. Several years ago, California
voters wisely ousted Chief Justice Rose Bird and three other justices.

Theoretically, a jurist should not be involved in the political
spectrum. Yet, when a president appoints members of the Supreme Court,
it is only reasonable to believe that he or she will appoint people who
reflect his or her view or political agenda. After all, the president
has been voted into office on a platform that the citizens agree with
and therefore the president should do all he can to make sure that his
personal philosophy is put into place. What better way to do it than to
appoint jurists who agree with him. The problem is that the president
can, at the most, serve for eight years, and Supreme Court jurists can
serve as long as they live. Perhaps we should start all over by
calling for a Constitutional Convention and create a completely new
document.

Since the original document is printed on hemp, let the chimp president
smoke it and we can move on to a meaningful Constitutional Convention.

"Some men are born great,
Some achieve greatness,
and some have greatness
thrust upon 'em."
--Shakespeare, Twelfth Night

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter"
--- Martin Luther King

Also SEE:
Law Professors Debate Reforming the Supreme Court Term limits, reducing
the number of clerks discussed

Friday, April 22, 2005

Durham, N.C. -- The United States Supreme Court was called a
"gerontocracy" at a Duke Law School conference April 9 th, likened to
the leadership cadres of the Chinese Communist Party. But that party is
a step up on the Court, said Northwestern University Law Professor
James Lindgren in defending the charge: Its leaders are required to
retire at 80, while justices serve for life.

"Reforming the Supreme Court?" brought together top constitutional law
and Supreme Court scholars for a spirited discussion of the costs and
benefits of life tenure for justices, and an exploration of possible
alternatives. Organized by law professors Paul Carrington of Duke and
Roger Cramton of Cornell, who have co-authored a statutory proposal to
limit Supreme Court terms, the conference was sponsored by the Program
in Public Law.
Cont'd
http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/04/Supreme.html

Sadly, at least 62.040,606 well meaning Americans, who voted for the
Village Idiot "Blubbering" Bush, apparently don't care how the judges
get appointed and approved.

Go Blue in November. It MAY help save what is still left of a once
respected country.
Raymond-Liberal
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruling ends years of work for Eli lawyers
> http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32956
>
> BY ANDREW MANGINO
> Staff Reporter
>
> As U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens took his seat at the
> bench on Thursday morning--in the closing hour of the court's term and
> minutes before announcing his ruling in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld--Danielle
> Tarantolo LAW '06 realized she was "finally at the end of the road" of
> a journey that had begun years and courtrooms ago.
>
> "This is what we had been anticipating since the very first day," she
> said, the "we" referring to the team of more than a dozen Yale Law
> School students who had worked under the leadership of Georgetown law
> professor Neal Katyal LAW '95 and Navy Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, and
> alongside other law professors, students and firms throughout the
> country, to represent Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama Bin Laden's former
> driver. "It was surreal."
>
> Around 10:15 a.m., Stevens began to describe his 73-page opinion. The
> government's previous victory in the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, he
> said, was overturned. The high court had found jurisdiction to reach
> the merits of Hamdan's argument. And in doing so, Stevens announced,
> five justices found that President George W. Bush '68 overstepped his
> authority. Military commissions were constructed illegally, without the
> required consent of Congress. The Geneva Convention had been violated;
> international treaties were still enforceable in U.S. courts.
>
> As Stevens read on, it suddenly became clear to Tarantolo and other
> members of Hamdan's defense team in attendance that an imprisoned
> Yemeni national had, with their help, sued the president of the United
> States in the nation's highest court and--won.
>
> "We all had ear-to-ear grins plastered to our faces, making exclamatory
> facial expressions every time [Stevens] said something we recognized
> from our briefs," Tarantolo said after the ruling. "Even when we had
> permitted ourselves to dream big about what result we might get, many
> of us--myself included--had not dared to hope for some of the arguments
> that Stevens was making. To hear a Supreme Court justice say the
> arguments you believe to be true suddenly makes them real and
> legitimate."
>
> Before long, the news spread to other Yale students and alums involved
> in the case who were not in Washington, D.C., at the time. Steve Wu LAW
> '05 said he was "astonished" at the virtual unanimity among the five
> majority justices in rejecting nearly every argument posed by the Bush
> Administration.
>
> "I thought it was assumed that the court would split on some of those
> claims," Wu said. "I don't think anybody expected this kind of victory
> of Hamdan."
>
> Wu said the decision was gratifying, especially since work on the case
> was not always easy. Setbacks included a loss on the federal appellate
> level and Congress' passage of the potentially stifling Detainee
> Treatment Act. Some days, he said, were "kind of a hard slog to go
> through."
>
> "There were definitely times you were working late before or after
> doing all the work and you sort of start wondering why you're butting
> your head against the wall," Wu said. "It's very rewarding to feel that
> you can make some difference--that what you wrote at 2 a.m. one night
> had some influence on that outcome."
>
> In his opinion, Stevens wrote that the authority to employ some
> variation of military tribunals for trying detainees, "if it exists,
> can derive only from the powers granted jointly to the President and
> Congress in time of war."
>
> He concluded that lack of express congressional authorization, military
> law precedent, and Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention combined
> to form a "Rule of Law that prevails in this jurisdiction."
>
> Throughout more than 65 footnotes, which made for some of the more
> flavorful parts of Stevens' opinion, he addressed many of the arguments
> made by dissenters and the government. He discussed the trial following
> the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, the precise start date of the war
> on terror, and the 1952 attempt by President Harry Truman to seize
> steel mills during the Korean War.
>
> But dissenter Clarence Thomas LAW '74, who took the unusual step of
> reading parts of his nearly 50-page opinion from the bench, argued for
> deference to the executive branch. Unlike dissenter Samuel Alito LAW
> '75, who primarily said the court had overstepped its jurisdiction and
> then unnecessarily struck a "regularly," albeit "differently,"
> constructed court, Thomas's language was lofty and biting. He warned
> that the court's ruling could compromise national security.
>
> "The President's findings about the nature of the present conflict with
> respect to members of al Qaeda operating in Afghanistan represents a
> core exercise of his commander-in-chief authority that this Court is
> bound to respect," Thomas wrote.
>
> Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh said that in addition to the narrow
> result of invalidating the military commissions, the Hamdan ruling
> sends three broad messages.
>
> "To the world at large, it says the executive branch response is not
> the only response to these crises. To human rights and NGOs and
> universities and students it sends a messages that if government action
> strikes you as excessive, it pays up to stand up and challenge it
> because your view may turn out to be more consistent with the rule of
> law," Koh said. "To the executive branch, instead of claiming that
> there is a new paradigm to which the old laws don't apply, [it says]
> you should in all circumstances look first to existing legal rules to
> see whether you can respond in a way that's consistent with our legal
> practices and traditions."
>
> Koh said the ruling also demonstrates that Yale Law School "stands up
> for the rule of law when it's threatened."
>
> The case was unusual for the high involvement of Yalies on both sides
> of the dispute. Two of the three dissenters--Thomas and Alito--are Yale
> grads. Each wrote an opinion supporting the policies of Bush, another
> Yale alum. Hamdan's position was spearheaded largely by Yale graduates
> and students and championed Koh along with several other law school
> professors.
>
> In reaction to the ruling, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee
> Arlen Specter LAW '56 introduced new legislation designed to govern
> future enemy combatant trials. John Yoo LAW '92 was the deputy
> assistant attorney general alleged to have devised the very military
> commissions in question.
>
> After sorting through the 185-page opinion, Tarantolo had a mix of
> emotions.
>
> "For me personally, having worked on the case for so long, I was both
> giddy with excitement and strangely nostalgic," she said. "But in the
> end, it was all worth it."
>
> Although the ruling was far-reaching, addressing numerous contentious
> legal questions, it stopped short of ordering a specific remedy.
>
> "The natural question that seems to come out of this decision is 'So
> what? What do we do with this?" said Ariel Lavinbuk LAW '07, who worked
> on the case. "Justice Breyer and Justice Kennedy [in concurring
> opinions] both really emphasize that there's many different things that
> the U.S. government could do, but that the president can't unilaterally
> make many of these decisions. Г‰ It's unfortunate that it needed to go
> this far in order to have a clear reminder about basic principles about
> our government."
>
> In a press conference call Thursday afternoon, a senior Bush
> administration official said the departments of Justice and Defense
> were attempting to determine the precise scope of the ruling, which he
> insisted was narrow.
>
> "Certainly the court's decision is limited to the case before it, and
> this case was a case about the military commission that had been
> convened against Mr. Hamdan," the official said. "As to the
> implications for the decision beyond that, that's something that we are
> studying and will be studying."
>
> As for Hamdan himself, Tarantolo said at least three possible scenarios
> may play out in light of the ruling. Hamdan could be tried in federal
> court, he could be brought in front of a court martial, or Congress
> could set up a new system of rules for governing trials of detainees.
>
> "The truth is, it's impossible to say what's next for Hamdan, since the
> ball is in the government's court," she said.
>
> Yale law professor Judith Resnik, who helped write an amicus brief on
> behalf of Hamdan, said she celebrated "the important holdings that
> there are no law-free zones in America and that the Constitution does
> not give the president a blank check to go unchecked.
>
> "The answer isn't just go close Guantanamo Bay, but to fix the
> processes by which Americans detain and try people alleged to be
> terrorists," Resnik said. "Conditions of that camp need to be radically
> reformed immediately."
>
> Koh said the court's plurality holding in favor of applying Common
> Article 3 of the Geneva Convention--which implores all detainees to be
> treated humanely--might have major implications for other tactics
> employed by the Bush administration in the war on terror. One such
> tactic is the NSA eavesdropping program, which Koh testified against
> before Congress in February.
>
> "The job of Yale professors and students and alumni committed to the
> rule of law is to make sure that the spirit of the opinion, that
> reflects the sprit of the Constitution, is constantly being reaffirmed
> as new crises arise," he said.
>
> But in Thursday's White House press briefing, press secretary Tony Snow
> said the two programs were like "apples and oranges."
>
> Cary Franklin '98 LAW '05, who also helped to construct briefs,
> disagreed.
>
> "I don't think they're going to be able to wiggle out from underneath
> the rule that this case set out," she said.
>
> Franklin said that although the ruling exceeded her expectations,
> nothing came as a shock.
>
> "I wouldn't say I was surprised, because professor Katyal just makes
> you very optimistic about things, because he's so passionate and
> tireless in the cause of justice that you just believe it's going to
> prevail," Franklin said.
>
> After the ruling, Katyal--perhaps reflecting on the hundreds of e-mail
> messages sent amongst his law students, the 2 a.m. epiphanies, and the
> many up-down moments he had already shared with his student-dominated
> team--only had words of thanks.
>
> "I am grateful to all of my students, who have worked hard and
> tirelessly on behalf of bringing justice to Guantanamo," Katyal said.
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