> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:26 -0400, "MushOMouth" wrote:
>

>>
>>"Mycos" wrote in message
>>news:5fbe93du50b0gqepl62fifbqjldn0j04jf@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:27:05 -0400, "MushMouth" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Now name me a major media voice that throws their lot in with Gore,
>>> because I;all show you
>>> all the rest who bleat the same bleat as the O'reilleys, and Limbaughs
>>> and
>>> Coullters and
>>> other little fascist pricks who blow the corporate line which is most
>>> decidedly NOT
>>> pro-Kyoto or Gore.
>>>

>>
>>I have no clue what media you watch, but Fox and CNN are not the media I'm
>>nether right or left, dem or rep, there both the same set up to divide
>>people, and cause social and racial boundaries, Fuck them Both, and I have
>>no clue of the rest of what you said,... and yes there all pricks and that
>>includes Gore and his miss-shapen shitstain of a wife
>>chipper-tipper-dipper
>>like a cracker with kippers

>
> Ahhh.. A Libertarian perhaps? Closet conservatives with a hard-on for
> government,
> especially them "revenuers!". Mindlessly buying into the line that
> free-market forces are
> all the regulation capitalism (read that "capitalists") need. As such,
> just let them take
> care of things and everything will be taken care of.
>

>

>>>>Do what you can to protect the earth, I deeply believe this, but you
>>>>don't
>>>>have to believe the Lie to be good Stuarts of Gods gift to us, dig it,
>>>>why
>>>>do you think Bush supports this, not to mention, Hitler backing
>>>>Rothschild's, believe me or not, you will regret supporting this
>>>>movement,
>>>>when all is said and done, have you read Kyoto Agreement, it calls for a
>>>>population reduction, this is not about, saving the world for the
>>>>children, no its about culling the numbers. Please read the Kyoto
>>>>Protocol
>>>>

>>>
>>>
>>> Bush has opposed Kyoto all along. Hitler and the Rothschoilds? WTF does
>>> that have to do
>>> with Global Warming?

>>
>>
>>but he supports it now,

>
> LOLOL... Who told you that? The only person who ever said the Bush
> administration is
> serious about reducing emmissions is...surprise.... Bush ! The facts are
> he is doing
> everything possible to place roadblocks, stall for time, suggest
> alternative "regulations"
> that are in fact relaxations of existing ones, etc. etc. The Oil Industry
> itself takes the
> issue more seriously than Bush. Even the people who originally said there
> was no problem
> have changed their tune. Now they're saying ,Oh, yeah. There's a problem.
> It;s just not as
> serious as everyone makes it out to be. But the key word here is
> "everyone". Find me
> anyone with any argument saying there's no Global Warming, period. And
> for those that are
> dismissive of the effects, I'll show you who they work for. That Lindzen
> kook from MIT is
> about the only person foolish enough to hang onto the original claim, and
> he does so based
> on some theory he pulled out of his ass that has it that increased warming
> means increased
> water vapor, which in turn causes "Global Cooling", which means the
> climate is far less
> delicate than the worlds best and most-researched scientists and their
> findings suggest.
> In short, he;s right...everyone else is wrong. Hmmm. Can we say "Quack"
> boys and girls?
>

>> does me really care all of a sudden, or do you think
>>it was a stall for this global tax, Think for your self on that one, the
>>Rothschild's funded the SS

>
> Bull-fucking-shit! Where did you get that? The Protocols?

>
> I am virulently anti-Zionist...which Zionists are quick to equate with
> anti-semitism, a

> regarding the IDF murders and atrocities. When one considers Pali to
> Isreali deaths are
> conservatively estimated at 8 Pali's to 1 Isreali, and that the Pali
> "weapon of choice" is
> a suicide belt, a device meant to take out more of the other guys so the
> one death is
> wasted, then simple logic dictates the casualty figures would be reversed,
> that 8
> Israeli's (innocent shoppers) to one Pali (insane beast with suicide belt)
> would be the
> statistical norm. But it isn't, so obviously there's more to the story
> that we aren't
> hearing about.
>

>> and held there money in there banks, dumb ass

>
> Is that like the one that has the Zionist-Illuminati secretly wiring the
> WTC with
> explosives, so Silverstein could collect insurance money?
>

>

>> read a book

>
> Believe me. You don;lt want to go there. Judging by what I read here, it's
> possible I had
> finished reading more of them before entering grade school than you have
> read since
> leaving same.
>

> , and that are pushing this Global warming thing Lord Rothschild with

>>Gore and another some woman, on Eco-Watch

>
> Let me get this straight...... (Hehehe) You think "Lord" Rothschild, Al
> Gore, and some
> big-titted earth-mother hippy chick are the brains behind what is really
> just a massive
> con.

> to the details of it's implementation, that Moriarty himself would likely
> bow in humble
> acknowledgement that he had finally met match. Al Gore....and some broad
> with a fixation
> for earthworms? And that this compost farm is where the Illuminati hide
> out, no doubt
> nearing completion on a secret device that will be placed into a device
> and sold as an
> "alternative fuel" source, one that all the government conned by the
> Global Warming scheme
> will by and set up everywhere they can...BUT! ...once activated, these
> devices, (codename:
> Tee Hee Hee* ) will turn everyone gay? *
>

> *Nod to Gilbert Shelton and FF's Cat
>

>> she had a whole Documentary on how
>>she farm, compost, and takes care of the earth, it was on Sundance Channel
>>two months ago, dude do me a favor and look at the smiling faces that are
>>bringing you the message,

>
> You betray where you get your information with that line. I use books, of
> which I own a
> what amounts to a Natural History library most community colleges would
> be proud to own.
>

> Any TV watching I do is either for PBS or History Channel documentary
> series, or Comedy,
> Space or A&E

> pick up a box of beer so I can fire the empties (soft aluminum) at Lou
> Dobbs fat face.
>

>

>> then think real hard... not the hippies, because
>>they can be fooled into believing any thing, all idealist can, just give
>>them a cause, and like sheeple to there slaughter, they will willingly
>>sojourn the killing floor

>
> A sweeping generalization that would be more typical of the conservative
> who have no
> empathy in their ethics or any visions of an ideal society to guide their
> political
> choices. "The laws the Law" "My country, right or wrong" is what allows
> the worlds Hitlers
> to wave a flag, give an order, and of they go, ready to whatever they're
> told.
>

> I suggest you read Stanley Milgram's "Obedience To Authority".

>>
>>

>>>
>>> As for the gas preceding the warming, that's simple lying. Rising gases
>>> mean a rise in
>>> global temperature, though whether rising gases trigger rising
>>> temperatures, or vice
>>> versa, remains unknown.

>>
>>actually it is known temp precedes it by 800years...

>
> According to who?

>>
>>
>>Also note that at about 360 parts per million, the amount of CO2

>>> in the atmosphere today far exceeds levels at any time in the past
>>> 160,000
>>> years--indeed,
>>> in the past few million years.

>>
>>
>>tell me why Greenland was one time green, this is written in Eric the
>>Redds
>>own Logs,

>
> No and yes. It still is green along the protected inland valleys and
> fjords. But this is
> the fundemental mistake you are making and the one that appears to be the
> favorite weapon
> of the coal con-artists. Regional variations in weather do not equate to
> global climate.
> The problem with all these records, like the Sagas you refer to, is that
> they are specific
> to one place at one time. Volcanoes, El Nino's, jet-stream or gulf stream
> patterns wander
> widely, and their localized effects are dramatic. When you get a
> conjunction of the two,
> or three, or more of these drivers, it;ls enough to wipe out a
> civilization, nevertheless
> a colony of Norse settlers.
>

>
>

>> is that not were many Protestants moved to escape Catholic Terror,

>
> Protestant Vikings? No... That's not quite the way it went. Christianized?
> Some were. But
> involved in the whole Pope - French Anti-Pope thing, you missed by several
> centuries.
>

>>there was a church built there, and it has a deep foundation, most
>>building
>>built there don't because its hard to dig through frozen soil with
>>primitive
>>tools

>
> Meaning what? That it got so warm the permafrost melted, then froze back
> up again? And
> that the permafrost melted down to a depth that...if you cared to read the
> books you are
> accusing others of ignoring, took only a few years to freeze back up?
> Unless the
> temperature change was something along the order of placing it in the
> middle of the Gobi
> then plunging it down to Antarctic temps to put the popsicles back into
> the glaciers
> there, then I would think that perhaps they kept a few fires going on the
> spots where they
> weren;t immediately digging. After all, neolithic miners would go through
> solid rock,
> working Copper or Flint deposits into cave systems that have MILES of rock
> dug out.
> Believe me, this Church foundation is no miracle requiring cosmic
> explanations.
>

>

>> again, I'm rather surprised to see the lack of knowledge here, read a
>>fucken book people, stop watching T.V for your "Facts" T.V is meant to
>>sterilize the brain, by dictating to you sequences, keeping you brain from
>>formatting the data, I.E keeping you from thinking for yourself,

>
> And you need to read to ALL the websites, not just the few selective ones
> that are set up
> by an ever-dwindling number of holdouts who, not surprisingly, are
> coming from the coal
> groups.

> Why do I say that it's not surprising? It was coal investors who also
> started the Oregon
> Petition with their fictitious 19,000 scientists a la Geri Halliwel, as
> well as the site
> you get your "facts" from. Coal is particularly pissed about this whole
> thing because they
> had sunk their life savings into what they thought was a wise investment
> given the
> shrinking oil and gas reserves. They believed they would get rich because
> coal would
> become more attractive as an energy source. But the global warming thing
> is specific about
> CO2, and it just so happens that coal contains even more CO2 than the oil
> they are saying
> we need to quit burning. So what we have is a case of very high hopes and
> a lot of money
> invested, only to be dashed by a theory that places their product even
> lower than that of
> the Oil and Gas Industry's. And they're pissed. And fighting back. And
> you are buying
> every word of it.

>>
>> So this is new,and it is caused by man. We can tell how

>>> much Co2 is natural and how much is man-made through their signature
>>> isotopes. And this is
>>> manmade shit.
>>>

>>
>>so please Mr. answer how much Co Do we put out? in comparison to animals,
>>Volcanoes, Dieing leaves and plant matter, Marine life, the process of
>>evaporating water, you see its not about Co its about Life they will Tax
>>you
>>to Death, Imagine getting Taxed for your child(ren) pet(s) Living Elder(s)
>>Livestock, if you farm, getting taxed on plant disposal, waist management,
>>home ownership, these Co Taxes will be tacked on to every thing you do
>>that
>>can cause Co, and the rich will get a pass as usual, and you though
>>Coperation's will have to pay, uh no, cause they'll get credits for
>>Greening
>>it up, Solar Panels, Alternative Roofing, Green Buildings, Alternative
>>heating and cooling, things you and I cant afford to do, but you hold out
>>on
>>faith that there well meaning, and like sheep,"Gradually, by selective
>>breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will
>>increase
>>until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would
>>become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the
>>practice of eating mutton." - Bertrand Russell..

>
>
> How passe' You are a Libertarian, aren't you? Taxes! the mere mention of
> taxes and you
> run screaming in terror. Year after year after year the GOP has managed to
> sell themselves
> as the friend of the litle guy by promising him they'll lower taxes. But
> you still want
> everything that those tax dollars paid for. Or are you one of those who
> screams about both
> the poor maintenance of roads, etc as evidence of why you shouldn't give
> them the money to
> fix them in the first place?
>
> In any case, you clearly got that diatribe from a hysterical propagandist,
> because it;ls
> patently ridiculous fear-mongering

> missing is a tax on "the guns we need to protect ourselves from the
> terrorists who will
> over-run our country because our solar battery powered F-16's won;t start
> on a cloudy
> day! Sneeaky liberal traitors.... Shoulda known they were behind al Qi
> 'eda !

>>

>>> As for the "Fuel' companies that own the media....Your right. Corporate
>>> influence is very
>>> pronounced in the US media particularly. Some of the worst in fact. But
>>> here's info from
>>> PBS, the scourge of the right-wing who have openly threatened to remove
>>> it
>>> from the air as
>>> a "socialist, pinko, threat to the troops, ally of terrorism, etc, etc,
>>> blah, blah,
>>> blah.... IOW a threat to people who prefer not to think, just salute,
>>> wave
>>> flags, piss on
>>> homo's, and send their ignorant kids off to die for a Wolfowitz, Perle,
>>> Cheney idea how
>>> NOT to wind down the defence budget and pay a peace dividend when the
>>> Cold
>>> War ended.
>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/stories/
>>>

>>
>>am I for the war, is this war for Oil, or to Cut of the Flow of Oil...?
>>why
>>would they want more oil, they can drive up the cost by making it scares,
>>and again your assuming one side is right, there both wrong and using it
>>to
>>divide the people and take your rights, so when bush is removing your
>>rights, the right will back him, and when Hillary is removing your rights
>>you will back her, yet no one will back our lost rights, Fuck Left, Fuck
>>Right, this paradigm is a false one, and because your assuming the
>>argument
>>is about Oil And Republicans you Fuel the Ignorant Redneck Idealism and
>>feed
>>into Eugenic Inspired Tyranny of the self proclaimed "Masters of the
>>Universe" I.E Bildibergers, C.F.R, Tri-Laterals, Ect.

>
> Ahhhh... Well there we have it. Merely a chap whose critical analysis
> skills don't quite
> match his desire to figure out why so many things are wrong despite living
> in The Greatest
> Country In The World.
>

> Thge left right paradigm is simply a meaxsure of the amount of access any
> given culture,
> be it the Yanomamo in the Amazon or the American Mid-West, allows its
> members to wealth
> and rank/prestige. Itls an anthropological principle that has been
> hijacked and rendered
> unrecognizable by one or the other. Egalitarian societies were the norm
> among
> hunter-gatherer cultures, whether they were African or South American, it
> doesn't;t seem
> to matter. Of coursethis means that is the type of environment we
> ourselves evolved in as
> a species that depends on a group strategy for survival. Egalitarian =
> equal access to
> both wealth and status. Then there's Rank societies that have hereditary
> chiefs, but still
> an effort to maintain a balance of wealth is the norm. The Potlatch of the
> PNW Natives is
> a prime example of that wealth redistribution that comes to unequal rank.
> They recognized
> it was wrong, and fixed it. Only after agricultures does the idea of a
> class/caste group
> show up in human history.
>

> In short, comunal ...cummunism..socialism, are left wing, while elites
> that spread the
> lands wealth in more and more concentrated a group, the farther to the
> right it is. i.
> monarchs, fascists, and really any capitalist economy which cannot
> function without an
> underclass who will take on job to survive. Full employment places too
> much power in the
> hands of the workers who can then start to dictate wages, demand a share
> of the profits,
> etc, etc....." and before you know it, you got goddamn communist running
> things!"
> Precisely. that's the whole idea behind left and right and "class
> warfare".
>
> So to say it isn't a valid paradigm is to deny that there's such a thing
> as unequal access
> to wealth and/or the power, terms that are virtually synonymous.... from a
> sociological
> perspective anyhow.
>
>
> And if you come back with a "Everyone has an equal chance to become
> President if they
> really want to put the effort into it" then I can only wish you the best
> of happiness and
> luck in whatever little fantasy world you have disappeared into.

>

>>
>>
>>

>>> As for your sites, the ones that aren't shills for the "fuel Industry" a
>>> most curious
>>> thing I discovered when looking at who runs them. This one here is a
>>> front
>>> organization
>>> for ..... *Western Fuels Association*!
>>>
>>> The Center has since tried to distance itself from the Western Fuels
>>> Association, however,
>>> the Center is run by Keith and Craig Idso, along with their father,
>>> Sherwood. Both Idso
>>> brothers have been on the Western Fuels payroll. Keith Idso, then a
>>> doctoral candidate at
>>> the University of Arizona, was a paid expert witness for Western Fuels
>>> Association at a
>>> 1995 Minnesota Public Utilities commission hearing in St. Paul, MN,
>>> along
>>> with MIT's
>>> Richard Lindzen, Patrick Michaels, and Robert Balling (The Heat is On).
>>> According to news
>>> from Basin Electr ic, a Western Fuels Association member, Craig Idso
>>> produced a report,
>>> "The Greening of Planet Earth." Its Progression from Hypothesis to
>>> Theory," in January
>>> 1998 for the Western Fuels Association (Basin Electric Latest News no
>>> date
>>> given).
>>>
>>> Now maybe this is just me, but I find your reference to the energy
>>> industy...normally
>>> called the oil and gas industry, or just Big Oil sometimes, as a "fuel"
>>> industry, to be so
>>> unusual that I think you knew exactly who they were and what company
>>> they
>>> represented. IOW
>>> you deliberately lied to the other members of the NG. You're not a head,
>>> a
>>> freak, a
>>> psychonaut, or even remotely interested in natural history. You're one
>>> of
>>> the
>>> Scaife-Mellon fuckwads they hired to try and get out ahead of the flow
>>> in
>>> this "new
>>> medium" of the internet.. and try to keep the issues framed in a way
>>> that
>>> is favourable to
>>> far-right neocon dominance of the governmen. You've made my short list
>>> anyhow.
>>>

>>
>>no comment for this is still the fuel argument
>>

>>>>Co2
>>>>http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.jsp

>>>
>>> Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change says it's a
>>> non-profit
>>> organization based in Arizona. Except it gets it's money from Exxon and
>>> similar "fuel"
>>> interests
>>>

>>]
>>Kewl
>>

>>> 1998
>>> $10,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
>>> Source: ExxonMobil 1998 grants list
>>>

>>
>>Awesome
>>

>>> 2000
>>> $15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
>>> project support
>>> Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990
>>>

>>
>>Kickass
>>

>>> 2003
>>> $40,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
>>> Climate Change Activities
>>> Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report
>>>

>>
>>Happy happy Joy Joy
>>

>>> 2005
>>> $25,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
>>> Source: ExxonMobil 2005 DIMENSIONS Report (Corporate Giving)
>>>

>>
>>[Add Nominclature Here]
>>

>>> 2006
>>> $10,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
>>> DISCREPANCY: 2005 Corporate Giving Report: no description. IRS 990 form
>>> 2005: Climate
>>> Change Activities.
>>> Source: ExxonMobil Corporate Giving Report 2006
>>>

>>
>>Ballz!!! to them! as it were
>>

>>>

>>>>Kyoto
>>>>http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html

>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>>Global Warming Truth
>>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3028847519933351566

>>>
>>> Glen Beck likes it. That's as close to empirical evidence as you can get
>>> that it must be
>>> full of the same shit he's made a living out of feeding hicks and
>>> rednecks.
>>>

>>
>>I agree, but the hippies were snowed my Margaret Thatcher and her lackies
>>

>
> She was a right wing conservative. Hippies hated her.

>hippies hated reagan. He hated them.

> So did Nixon. Same thing for the same reasons. I hate the right-wing. I'm
> working on an
> theory based on some of the newer socio-biological ideas like behaviours
> and ethical
> systems as products of evolution rather than independant thought.

> of the traits that mark the right-wing conservative as a group now
> behaving on genetic
> impulses that were useful but could only be followed to a certain limit
> governed by the
> lack of any ability to do so, yet technology, money, etc, now allows to
> run rampant...with
> a result that may be the end of the species. IOW, our technological
> evolution has outpaced
> our biological evolution in a way that nature could ...and does not
> predict. Such
> "mistakes" in development, or being in the wrong era at the right epoch in
> time is handled
> by nature one way only...extinction.
>
> And with that...Have a Happy Day ;-)
> ]

>>> Mycos
>>>
>>> Prohibition Funds Terrorism

>>
>>
>>
>>and as a hippie I took offence to every word I said, but honestly there is
>>a
>>true Greenhouse Gas that is causing havoc on our Eco System and must be
>>banned, I'm starting a petition for it at
>>http://www.petition.com/onedumfuk.html_AS5YU76J9OLIL;0OIJLLL;0P0;P0;jspKNUMBNUT
>>hydrogen hydroxide,

>
>
> Now there you got me. I have no idea WTF that is. Sodium and potassium
> hydroxide of
> course, as KOH is a common reagent very useful to mycologists. But these
> are caustic
> Bases. This is an acid? Weird shit indeed.
>
> I'll go take a look at your site.

>

>> better known as hydrohydroxic acid this stuff is far
>>worst on the Eco-System than Co2, its the primary By-Product of every
>>Chemical plant, its been known to kill All Living Things it comes in
>>contact
>>with, its Corrosive to metals, its in Acid Rain, and due to unscrupulous
>>men
>>[And Woman] it has been dumped into our lakes, streams, and Oceans, I've
>>had
>>my pool tested, and large amounts were found in it, we had to drain the
>>pool
>>to rid our self of this pollution, in Granada it was a major cause on Wood
>>Rot and a blithe was caused by it, its been present in all known cases of
>>malaria, and is only an accelerant for the breeding of mosquitoes, the
>>fucken evil corporations, put it in our fucken food, it was a major cause
>>for the devastation in Katrina, please join with me to ban this most evil
>>Chemical and shut down massive corporations like Coke-a-cola, DOW, Nike,
>>Texaco-Mobile, Exxon, Enron, The US Government, Human Existence, and Life
>>it
>>self Band together and ban H2FuckenO Fuck Water that Evil Bitch!!!
>>MsM
>>

>
>
> Mycos
>
> Prohibition Funds Terrorism