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Author: Dr_de_Bauche
Date: May 23, 2008 17:02

Mycos wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 10:56:59 +0100,
>> Do you know of her? She is a Muslim apostate, [someone who converts to
>> another religion]. Since rejecting Islam she has had constant death
>> threats made against her, [in accordance with the Koran, which tells
>> Muslims to kill any Muslim that tries to leave Islam; just like the
>> Mafia or some prison gangs kill any of their members who try to leave.
>> Don't think its an idel threat either; Nonnie Darwish is able to resist
>> it because she is educated and a published writer with resources
>> available to her. But for ordinary Muslims from the working class?
>> Forget it, they either re-submit to Islam or they die; and here is the
>> UK there is a disgracefully high number of young Muslim girls who simply
>> drop out of school for no reason, and if any kind of inquiry is made
>> about them the officials are told, "She's in Pakistan". Very likely most
>> are in Pakistan, having been married off aged ten to some 40+ year old
>> man she never met in her life, but a good few, especially those who try
>> to run from the arranged marriage in Pakistan and get caught are planted
>> in Pakistan.]
>>
>> So. Nonnie Darwish. An Egyptian woman raised as a Muslim. Taught jihad
>>from childhood. Taught to hate Jews & desire the destruction of Israel.
>> Her father was killed by Israeli forces for his terrorist activities in
>> Gaza. You would have thought never has such a likely prospect for
>> continuing the jihad existed, to avenge her father.
>>
>> But no. She came to the USA. Saw the freedom, the compassion and
>> tolerance that is next to non-existent in the Arab street, [and boy does
>> that make you wonder how hateful and paranoid life in the muslim Arab
>> world must be, since its hardly like the West's cup is overflowing with
>> Peace and Goodwill]., and she did the bravest thing anyone in her could
>> do. She looked into Christianity, realised she believed in it, rejected
>> Islam, and started using her education to try and awaken people in the
>> West to the truth about Islam, the truth about extremism within mosques,
>> and the danger the West faces from an enemy within.
>>
>> She now has to live under full time police protection; to safeguard her
>> "inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Yet
>> somehow you try to tell us that this isnt the *real* Islam, just a small
>> aberration. Where then are the crowds of Muslims marching to protest
>> against the terrorists? The expulsion of radical imams from the USA who
>> preach jihad? Why aren't liberals, who claim to stand for freedom and
>> justice for all, standing up and denouncing this disgusting creed?
>>
>>
>> So, please Mycos. Educate me. How do you answer Nonie Darwish. There are
>> actually a few more like her; women like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and men like
>> Walid Shoebat, an ex terrorist who renounced jihad, but lets start with
>> Nonie since she has no axe to grind, or agenda to follow. Please will
>> you give us your insight into how the liberal mind deals with Nonie
>> Darwish, and her message that Muslims in the West believe the highest
>> duty they can aspire to is to subvert our system and impose an Islamic
>> theocracy under the rule of sharia law. Pray tell how you reconcile that
>> with your deep seated love for personal liberty and the right to choose?
>> A new book called "The Islamist" by Ed Hussein details extensively how
>> an oranisation called Hizb-u-Tahir is working ceaselessly to promoye
>> Islamism within the Uk, to chisel out every advantage and concession
>> they possibly can for muslims here; all with one aim in mind; that one
>> day Great Britain will submit as a nation to Islam: they tell us
>> blatantly in one of their sermons "One day the black of Islam will fly,
>> [over the White House}, over Downing Street.."
>>
>> Could it just possibly be that on this subject you have got it wrong,
>> and backing Muslim rights is equivalent to supporting some Nazi Party
>> that said it was going to replace the Constitution with Mein Kampf and
>> introduce never ending National Socialist rule. You would decry any such
>> organisation, and welcome any that exposed their murdering hateful ways,
>> yet do the same for Islam and liberals jump up and down screaming "you
>> got it all wrong" or call you a racist.
>>
>> Sorry I did not get it wrong. Islam is a death cult founded by a
>> paedophile murderer with a pathological hatred for everyone who wasn't
>> in his gang, but most especially so for Jews because the rabbis of the
>> day in Arabia, [and there were whole tribes of Jews living there then,
>> who, when defeated by Mohammad and his bandits, were treated like this.
>> The men were generally killed. The women and children taken as "war
>> booty" -totally legitimate in Islam, the koran has a whole Surah called
>> "War Booty"- to be either raped and sold into slavery, or repeatedly
>> raped and abused and kept around as one of the unlimited number of
>> "concubines" allowed to a Muslim man, [on top of his four wives].
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza
>>
>>
>> Every time you try and make excuses for Islam, -that its only a tiny
>> minority, that I am deliberately misunderstanding it,- you dig yourself
>> deeper into a hole. I am not "misunderstanding Islam", I understand it
>> perfectly well. It reinforced its point here on the 7th of July 2005
>> when British born Muslim men blew themselves up on underground trains
>> and a bus. Acts that were greeted by a stunning chorus of silence from
>> within the Muslim community.
>>
>> So. Lets hear it Mycos. Is Nonie Darwish right, or what?
>
> Why are you taking the Quran's words litterally to bash it, yet freely
> admit that the Torah and Christian Bible, when everything written in
> those texts makes a mockery of both of those religions.

Err, your sentence doesnt actually make sense; admit what about the
Bible or Torah? I have said nothing about either text. The fact is
though there are considerable differences between them. The most obvious
is in the injunction to jihad upon Muslims. It is an open-ended call to
"kill unbelievers", whereas the Torah and Old Testament refers to
historical events long past.
As we see clearly from the Islamic world, even Muslims can't agree among
themselves who a "believer" is, so the Koran is really just a plan for a
never ending bloodletting. As for the Christian texts...they tell
repeatedly to make peace. You wont find "turn the other cheek" in the koran
>
> Why are you holding the Quran up to a standard that you know is utter
> foolishness to do in the case of the Bible? Do you believe in
> Creationism, that the world was invented in 6 days some 5,000 years ago?
> What do you think of the Old Testament orders to slay every man woman
> and child the Hebrews come across?
>

Where is such a verse....or are you refering to when Moses entered
Canaan 3000 years ago? Firstly Judaism is not a prosletysing religion.
It seeks no converts, but welcomes those who wish to convert. Islam
seeks to convert the world, and Muslims are instructed to fight against
the world "till all submit to Allah".

I am holding the Koran up to no standard bar one. Examination and
scutiny. And what I have found is shockingly disgusting. I had no
interest in Islam or Muslims until they started flying planes into
buildings and blowing up commuter trains, while preaching that "Allah is
happy when you kill the kaffir". Show me a rabbi or priest who says
anything even remotely similar. Even Kahane, who is dead, and whose
organisation is banned as a terror group never said to kill anyone.

Creationism? Youre scraping the barrel here Mycos. I love how your fake
intellectualism allows you to divine my religious beliefs, [or lack of
them].

I dont give a fuck what anyone believes.....unless they happen to
believe they should kill me because I dont agree with them.
>
> That's what I think of Nonie Darwish. She's an idiot leading idiots to
> think idiot things.

Thats an easy thing to say. Funny how its the shortest sentence youve
written in your close minded defence of people who *openly* declare
their intentions to subvert and destroy the West. No wonder they think
they have a chance of success when people refuse to admit that Islam is
utterly incompatible with Western liberty rather than compromise their
liberal and cultural relativism.

Its an awful lot harder to deny the truth of it when its an ex-Muslim
telling you how it is; but I see you managed to stick to the program.
Careful with those blinkers Mycos....any lower and they will become a
blindfold.
>
> Now go defend those Christian literalists, who believe, like Osama Bin
> Laden, Mair Kahane conservative religious freaks who picket at funerals
> chanting "God Hated Fags!". Those are all groups with the same MINDSET
> as you. Oversimplified and poorly thought out.

Why should I defend them? I have no sympathies with them? The thing is,
they aren't plotting to bomb our cities, or fly jet planes into office
buildings, [or are you gonna do the real idiot thing and tell us how it
was all an inside job...Bwahaaaaahhhha].
Thing is Osama bin Laden is just a teeny-weeny bit different from Kahane
or Christ cultists, [even nutjobs like Koresh]...because Osama wants to
kill as many "kaffirs" as he can possibly get his hands on...preferably
by sawing off their heads with a bread knife.
>
> Mycos
>
> Prohibition Funds Terrorism

I've got a suggestion for you. Why dont you go and ACTUALLY READ what
you get so worked up to defend. I bet you have never read any of the
Koran, and especially not the hadiths. If you had, there is no way under
the sun you would be here defending Islam...unless of course you *are* a
Muslim.

Why do I say that? Because its like defending Hitler if you read Mein
Kampf. Once anyone had read his book, the only people who could
sincerely defend him would be outright war-mongers and Jew haters,
because he blatantly laid out a plan for war and anti-Semitism.

Similarly, in the Koran and hadiths it says that:

*Women are only worth half of a man.
*Men can beat their wives [plural]
*Your wives [plural] are "like farmland unto you...plough them whenever
you like" [really, it truly does say that]
*Jews are descended from pigs and apes
*Jews are the most despised of all creatures
*You can enslave those captured in war
*You should kill those who wont believe
*You should cause terror among those who dont believe

...and that is without going into any of the deeper theological issues
regarding the nature of the relationship between the Deity and us.
Judaism and Christianity speak of a God who wants a relationship with
humanity, and speaks of "hell" as being an absence or seperation from
God. Islam speaks of humans as the "slaves of Allah", and how we need
Allah but he doesnt need us. Hell in Islam seems like Allahs personal
torture garden...a Deistic spit-roast where Allah enjoys flaying skin
and pushing red hot coals into places red hot coals shouldn't go....

Islam means submission. It negates free will, negates choice, defines
the world as black and white...believer and non believer...alive and
dead. Muslims like to claim its the fastest growing religion on the
planet, yet the truth is, even despite the requirement that like some
street gang Muslims should kill any Muslims who convert from
Islam.....thousands of Muslims are doing that every week, as through the
abundance of information available today, more and more are able to see
for the first time what an utterly despicable and violent cult it is at
heart.

Yet despite the fact that for the first time since it began the grip of
this evil death cult might be slipping, even while Muslims and ex
Muslims are calling out warnings to us....while the Islamists make no
secret of their intentions, broadcasting them loud and clear to anyone
that will listen...despite all this, the urabn left, the middle class
chattering classes, those who proclaim their liberalism towards
everything except for when it comes to actually defending the rights
they ckaim to support sit on their hands and carry on with the same old
same old, meanwhile these terrorist fruitcakes embed themselves deeper
in our society.
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