On Mon, 19 May 2008 04:27:31 -0700, "News" newzgroup.com> wrote:

Uh, yeah dipshit. First of all I didn't simply "clean up" the company
logos I remade them all from scratch using a decade old version of
Paint Shop Pro. Second, what the fuck are you mouthing off for when
you couldn't reverse engineer SHIT to save yer fuckin life. Hell, I
bet you couldn't even figure out how to edit and configure a Flash
template in the first place, let alone rebuilding the fuckin thing
from scratch. You sound like the typical college flunkie though,
thinking that the stuff that people like I create is "all about the
software" and that if you ONLY "had the software" that I've got then
~*magically*~ you'd be able to produce shit that good too. *snicker*
Hate to slap you real hard with reality kiddo, but that's not the way
things work. Most of the software I use to make my stuff is way the
hell out of date. I use old software for a couple reasons...one, it
demonstrates to lessers like yourself that it's not about the
software, it's about skill. And two, working in a restrictive
environment breeds higher levels of creativity.

It's sort of like building with Legos. Let's say you wanted to build
a model car...well you could just by a prefab snap together model car
that will look entirely realistic (albeit generic looking)...OR, you
could use Legos. The trick is, with Legos, you're going to have to be
more creative because you don't have any ready made instructions to
build the model and the pieces you have to build it are not directly
suited to the form, so you have to figure out how to use the pieces
you have to most accurately portray the final form.

It's the same with web design. All your doing is buying/stealing
ready made snap together forms that wind up looking like generic
pieces of garbage that no one wants because businesses want to have a
UNIQUE looking site that sets them apart from others (it's a
branding/marketing thing, you wouldn't get it, Flunkie). To produce
what they want though you must have skill and you must be creative to
work on a more direct, nuts and bolts level. If you can't, what you
try to produce at that level will look like a mish mosh pile of shit
that's falling apart...hence the reason why non creative people tend
to not like building with Legos, because without creativity you can't
really make anything, so there's no enjoyment.

You certainly are, because your existing icon set looks like generic
garbage that was produced en mass with a cookie cutter style form. A
schmuck like you can't even directly tell the difference, too easily
impressed by candy colored graphics to even think. Simply put, you're
not much more than a philistine to the world of graphic design, you
have absolutely no concept at all as to what makes a GOOD graphic
(good as far as marketing and branding).

Your existing icon set is likely also in use by dozens upon dozens of
other companies, which will confuse customers in that when they try to
remember your business they'll likely wind up remembering your
competitor instead because they were using the same icon set. You
don't seem to comprehend that as far as marketing and branding you
must have a UNIQUE style and form, not one that looks like a colorless
cog stamped out in a factory.

Here's another free cl00 for ya, Sunshine...companies won't pay very
much for cookie cutter bullshit. Yeah, you can try to lie to them,
but then there are quite a number of respectable graphic artists and
web designers out there like myself who will not hesitate to e-mail a
company and let them know that their site looks exactly like another
site they've seen. That often leads to lawsuits, yes, kids like you
are routinely sued into the ground for the lies you try and pass off.
It's pretty obvious that you're a con artist too, with the way you
talk about making big money and all. Simply put, it'd be IMPOSSIBLE
to make "big money" selling generic, cookie cutter bullshit that you
didn't even make yourself...unless of course you're lying and telling
your customers that your generic looking crap is original and that
they own the design.

Like, wow, I was PAID to do it...and paid a LOT more than some flunkie
like you gets paid to shit out someone ELSE'S work. Companies want
unique styles to set them apart from others, they pay BIG MONEY to get
it (the kind you DREAM of getting paid). What they want requires
artistry and skill to recreate or build a new form from scratch, that
artistry and skill of course costs a lot of money, so again, I get
paid quite a lot more than you could ever dream of.

It's cute though, how you confuse your lack of ability with a choice,
you don't CHOOSE to use a generic cookie cutter form, child, you HAVE
to do it that way, because you are not capable of doing anything
better.

It's cute how you keep asking me for more and more when you haven't
even managed to get on the playing field yet. Your first ASSumption
failed miserably and you were kicked right in the fuckin face for it,
so now instead of staying down and knowing your role as a poser class
wannabe you're jumping right up looking for another kick to the head.

I think I'm going to teach you a lesson though, because you didn't
have sense enough to know when to shut up. I want you to show me a
site that YOU created, not using anyone else's work or graphics, or
code, or anything. It must be a site that's ENTIRELY unique to you
and must be presented on a PROFESSIONAL/ARTISTIC level.

...you have two days to produce it. If you fail to do it, I'm going
to e-mail every single one of the site owners you've presented and
will show each and every one of them that they've been had by a con
artist who is making them pay for work that you didn't create. At
that point they can choose to either sue you for damages, force you to
refund their money, or worse. If I were you, I'd get to workin,
Sunshine. And remember, you had the chance to shut the fuck up when
you KNEW you were out-classed, you chose not to, you chose to keep
trying to fight, so now I'm going to end you. `, )

Remember what I said about how kids like you are placeholders for
something better? Yeah, that's what the current form is. I'm
currently working with them to develop a UNIQUE site that will be all
their own, the current form was just to try and get something up that
looked semi-professional as a placeholder. However just because I
reconstructed the template doesn't mean that it's not mine. My
reconstructed version is roughly 1/4th the size of the original,
mostly because my code works better than their code. Although the
general form LOOKS the same, the engine behind it is completely
different. Again, that's not something I would expect a poser class
dipshit like you to comprehend. Your knowledge of website creation
likely barely extends beyond the most pathetic examples of WYSIWYG
editors. You probably couldn't even straight code your way through an
HTML 2.0 lesson.

So you DEMAND that someone "prove" themselves with what you yourself
aren't even capable of matching? You CLAIM that what you're doing is
making you rich and the "big bucks" are just flowing in like a
river...if that's the case, why is it that Ma and Pa Kettle's lil folk
"museum" is all the better clientele you've been able to rack up?

LOL, that was just ONE example, Fuckwit. I've got plenty more big
name clients, some in the works, some already finished. I'll gladly
show off more examples and continue to kick you real hard in the balls
just as soon as you can figure out how to step in the ring and stay
there for longer than two seconds. YOU are the one claiming to be
making "big bucks" off Ma and Pa Kettle when you can't even manage to
produce a SINGLE site of your own design and code. It's your move,
Sugartits, not mine, and I've already got you in check.

Everything I've shown has been original work, including all the sites
that are on Backwater, that's more than enough original work to kick
you balls until you can manage to match it with even ONE example of
your own. And as I said, if you fail to do so within the next 48
hours...I'm going to make you pay for undeserved egoism. See I don't
much mind it when people go around acting like arrogant sons of
bitches when they actually have the work to back it up with...but some
fuckin stupid ass cunt like you who hasn't even produced ONE original
site...yeah...you need to know yer place, you poser class college
flunkie bitch. You couldn't even fuckin BREATH on my level.

I don't stock groceries you fuckin idiot, I handle all the ordering,
sales and pricing...this week alone we're already up 17%%. The job
involves a lot of math and high level analysis and tracking of well
over 40,000 different products. The better at it you are, the higher
yer sales figures will be...it no surprise of course that our figures
are always up. ^_^

No, that's the job we hire cookie cutter flunkies like you to do. Of
course, you likely still haven't moved past working in the lowest
levels of fast food, which is pretty apparent since your BEST examples
of clients are just a few local small time business wannabes.
Obviously you're not getting paid very much for the jobs and you only
have four of them. Oh but hey, feel free to brag about how much money
you made off those FOUR clients, it'll give me an excuse to go and
e-mail them and ask them how much they paid for the cookie cutter
garbage you're trying to pass off as your own work. Free cl00, if
they paid you more than $50 for that crap...you ripped them off.
*nods*

And obviously at around $50 a site and only four sites...yeah, yer not
making a living off of it, not unless you're still living at home with
mommy and daddy supporting you. So either that's your situation or
you're working in fast food part time to pay your bills whilst you run
around trying to play wannabe web developer around town. Your lack of
ability limiting you to coning local small business owners who don't
know anything about websites.

Unfortunately as a cashier you'll only be making around $9 an hour,
maybe $10 if you stick around long enough...not exactly the kind of
income you can retire on (unless you plan to retire at age 80), but
hey, that's what lowered expectations are for, huh?

Hey I didn't make reality Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it.

No, you should have stopped BEFORE you made this post...a little late
now though, I'm going to teach you a good lesson. See kids like
you...you REALLY piss me the fuck off. Why? Because it's dipshits
like you who go around fucking everything up and burning people that
make it that much harder for free lancers like myself to get work.
Basically you go around trying to pass yourself off as some kind of
"computer genius", promising the moon 'n shit, when really all the
better you can do is hack together someone ELSE'S work. The end
result of course looks like unprofessional crap and your kind usually
winds up over charging them, to the point where they feel burned and
won't ever trust a free lancer again afterwards...at least not without
so much work that you have to resort to hiring a marketing manager to
go around rebuilding the bridges that all the fuckups like you burned
to the ground with your con-artistry. Thankfully a fuckup of your
level won't be able to find any sort of marketing manager who will
work with you, because they'll know right off the bat that you're just
a poser class fuckup who isn't worth their time and will only wreck
their reputation if they do business with you.

It's cute to see you babbling incoherently when it's obvious that you
yourself are working in a position likely far lower than where I'm at.
For you, the prospect of making manager at a business is simply not
possible, so you're forever stuck in lower end positions, lucky if you
can even make a little bit over minimum wage. The non-technical jobs
available to me certainly won't make me rich, but they do ensure an
upper-middle class lifestyle that a poser class dipshit failure like
yourself can't even dream of. You are essentially a failure on ALL
levels. A con artist wannabe web designer and likely a drooling idiot
at whatever minimum wage job you're working, only doing the bare
minimum amount of work to keep from getting fired.

It's about a love of the art though. It's true that for someone like
me I can move to Seattle or New York and easily get a high paying job
as a Flash designer or what have you, but as I've explained in past
posts, doing that would mean moving far away from all my family and
friends and it would require giving up all my creative talent to
someone else's interests and ideas. Someone like you simply cannot
comprehend that creativity isn't an endless well, because you don't
even have any creativity to begin with, as is easily proven by the
fact that you simply rip off other people's work.

Real creativity only goes so far before you need a break to recharge.
And as I've explained, such creativity brings a level of enjoyment
that someone like yourself simply can't experience, so you have no
idea how awesome it is to feel it, especially when it's something that
YOU really want to create. To an artist, a true artist...what money
can buy...it's as nothing compared to what you can get by creating
what you want. Creationism, if you have the ability, is the best
thing you can have in this world, far better than ANYTHING money can
buy you.

Of course, what deficients like you don't realize is that in order to
make the "big money" you dream of...you HAVE to have talent and
creativity, otherwise all the better you're going to get is half-assed
podunk clients who don't know shit about websites. Of course, if you
DID have that talent and creativity, well, you'd know that making "big
money" isn't even remotely as good as what you get from being able to
practice your art for the things that YOU want to create. At that
point working as a manager at Wal*Mart becomes a LOT more lucrative
than giving all your creativity and talent to someone else.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
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"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )