On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:39:35 -0500, Don Ocean
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>Government Shill #2 wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:13:30 -0500, Don Ocean
hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> All compressed oxygen is liquid.
>
>It merely gets to be a denser liquid. one liquid that expands with cold
>temperature is water. But its to becomes a gas at a given temperature
>and a given atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is stored as a liquid and its
>saturation temperature when released will put out a fire or freeze a can
>of beer. Same with compressed nitrogen, oxygen etc. Without a regulator
>a scuba diver would blow out his lungs, but they would also be freeze
>damaged. Its obvious that your education overall is sadly lacking.
What is obvious is your lack of knowledge as to why a compressed gas, any
compressed gas, becomes cold when released from it's container. Nothing to do
with whether it was liquid inside the container or not.
There was a guy named Charles who discovered that "At a fixed pressure, the
volume of a gas is proportional to the temperature of the gas."
http://www.iun.edu/~cpanhd/C101webnotes/gases/charleslaw.html
If, as it undoubtedly is, the above is true, then it is also true that for a
given volume of gas, if the pressure is reduced the temperature of the gas will
also decrease.
This principle is well known to high school students, or anyone who has used a
bicycle pump, which leaves me wondering just how old you are.
>Especially in simple physics. A point of interest is that we use liquid
>Nitrogen to freeze IR sensors on certain aircraft to make them very
>sensitive to Missile release and ignition.
We use nitrogen to cool IR sensors too. This is, however, completely irrelevant.
>There is also liquid Nitrogen on commercial carriers, but for different reasons.
Really? And these reasons are?
>>> Now that you claim to be a pilot..
>>> Maybe you would like to tell us all about the design specs on that
>>> blackBox.
>>
>> Why would a pilot know the specs on a black box? Engineers know specs.
>
>as I thought.. Never been in to the workings of an aircraft. Military
>pilots are engineers and move on to be commercial pilots
Horseshit.
>>> Also you would like to tell us what the voltages and the
>>> circuitry within that wing tank are.
So... what did you learn from your reading of this?
>>> Or should I hook you up with the manufacturers archived Tech manual.
>>
>> As if you've ever seen a manufacturers technical manual.
>
>Actually when I first started out, I wrote certain portions of them
>pertaining to the Avionics systems of certain aircraft.
Sure.
>>> Aircraft that fly in thin air all utilized LOX.
>
>>
>> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
>That shows a definite lack of oxygen. I take it that you are whoofing
>Gasoline, Freon or spray paint in a plastic bag.
>
>>
>>> I can remember watching it run off the wings of B52's
>>> and a hell of a lot of other aircraft. Just what birds do you and
>>> Schitboid claim to have flown. Emergency oxygen is just that..When the
>>> cabin depressurizes You put on the mask. Anything over 10,000 feet
>>> requires Oxygen for Humans. Long commercial flights fly higher
>>
>> And the cabin altitude is around 6 ~ 7,000 feet. Kept there by pressurisation
>> systems.
>
>And in thin air..Even mountain climbers use oxygen at higher levels.
>So how does high altitude pressurization keep the required healthy
>amount of oxygen in the contained area?
High altitude pressurisation? WTF? The point of pressurising an aircraft is to
keep the cabin altitude as *low* as possible. With an aircraft at 39,000 feet
the altitude inside the cabin is kept at around 7,000 feet. Higher pressure =
lower altitude. Lower altitude = higher partial pressure of oxygen = no problem
for human passengers.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cabinair/index.html
>Look up Edward Bill of
>Garret Industries-Air research, Santa Monica California circa the 1940's
>You may learn something of the environmental systems aboard modern
>aircraft. His designs are on the subject aircraft.
>
>>
>>
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cabinair/environmentfacts.html
>> "Cabin Altitude
>> The percentage of oxygen in cabin air remains virtually unchanged, but as
>> altitude increases, the partial pressure of oxygen decreases. The altitude for a
>> typical transatlantic flight is 35,000 to 39,000 feet above sea level. Inside
>> the cabin, the pressurized altitude is equivalent to 5,400 to 7,000 feet above
>> sea level. (Denver, Colorado, U.S.A., is 5,280 feet above sea level, and the
>> center of La Paz, Bolivia, is 11,811 feet.)"\
>
>Uh huh.. So what is your point.. Cabin air is maintained by on board
>oxygen containers.
No. It's not you dim bulb. That is the point. Cabin altitude, and hence oxygen
partial pressure, is maintained by bleed air from the engines. Air.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cabinair/index.html
"Pressurized air for the cabin comes from the compressor stages in the
aircraft's jet engines. Moving through the compressor, the outside air gets very
hot as it becomes pressurized. The portion drawn off for the passenger cabin is
first cooled by heat exchangers in the engine struts and then, after flowing
through ducting in the wing, is further cooled by the main air conditioning
units under the floor of the cabin."
You really don't mind how stupid you make yourself look, do you?
>There is a system that is very expensive that also
>can scrub the air of undesirable wastes and refurbish it with infusions
>of oxygen. Used in aircraft and submarines of an older vintage. You are
>no longer trying to draw conclusions. You are outright lying to stave
>off the embarrassment of totally wrong.
Bwahahahahahahahaha! Talk about projection. Every word you type demonstrates how
totally wrong you are.
I notice you don't have citations to back up any of your ludicrous claims.
>The bottom line is that that
>plane was maliciously shot down with massive loss of life and you are
>condoning that with this ridiculous unsupported lies and innuendos.
>The murderd passengers and crew deserve justice.. Not this bullshit.
No. The bottom line is, was and will be that there is absolutely no evidence for
such a shoot down.
There is, however, more and more evidence for what a massive liar you are.
>>> to conserve fuel and require combustion oxygen.
>>
>> WTF? Are you claiming that oxygen is added to an engines combustion chambers to
>> sustain the engines at altitude? Excuse me...
>> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
>I guess you have never read up on the internal combustion engine.. Even
>a Jet requires combustion air.
Air? Yes. Oxygen? Only the oxygen present in air.
>Ever heard of the U2 or the blackbird.
Of course.
>Why do you think they load so much liquid oxygen aboard high altitude
>craft?
For the pilots to breath. In an unpressurised aircraft a human must breath
supplemental oxygen to compensate for the low partial pressure of oxygen in the
ambient atmosphere.
http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/lok_u-2.php
"The requirement for high altitude and long range posed enormous problems: ..."
"Therefore the U-2 is of very lightweight construction, dispensing with
conventional landing gear and pressurisation to save extra weight,..."
"The pilot is accommodated on a light-weight seat, dressed in a semi-pressure
suit with his head enclosed in an astronaut-type helmet, and forced to breathe
pure oxygen for his survival."
http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/oxygen.htm
"U.S. Air Force aircrews must use supplemental oxygen when the cabin pressure of
the aircraft reaches this altitude. (NOTE: The cabin altitude of an airliner and
other transport aircraft by design will climb no higher than 8,000 feet.)"
>Germany in WWII loaded the JU188 longrange bomber with both LOX
>and Nitreous oxide to extend is range for long patrols over the North
>atlantic to protect its sub fleets.
>>
>>> Now climb back into your J3
>>> and off with you. ;-) Dykes did say he was a pilot..
>>
>> I don' recall that. Maybe you can prove it? Oh, I forgot You nutjobs loathe
>> evidence. Proof, kryptonite to kOOks.
>
>Prove otherwise.. I want to see Dykes find it in the millions of
>bullshit posts he has saturated our NG and others with.
Not my job. Your claim. You prove it.
>>> Get over it. He fucked up and now is taking the heat.
>>
>> Back up your claims.
>
>Don't have any good reason to.
You can't. Your claims are horseshit.
Shill #2
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