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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: -
Date: May 2, 2008 11:25

>>> "-" wrote:
>>>> Who the fuck is "Vandar" ?
>> "Iarnrod" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> Someone who knows more than Ben "OKC was an inside job" Partin.
> "-" wrote:
>> And why does "Vandar" know more than General Ben Partin ?

Vandar yahoo.com> wrote:
> I didn't say I did. I said the credibility of that Rense piece is shot
> by the guy saying he never knew "Col. Donn de Grand-Pre" to lie.
> Do a little research on "Col. Donn de Grand-Pre" and you'll know why.

I'm doing a little research but I still don't know why.
Care to elaborate, using the URLs and citations aplenty?
> Hell, do a little research on Gen. Ben Partin while you're at it.
> You might be surprised. "Ben is no conspiracy wacko"
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4224779103128976372
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: Al Dykes
Date: May 2, 2008 12:26

In article <481b5a16.457378285@news3.isomedia.com>,
- hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> "-" wrote:
>>>>> Who the fuck is "Vandar" ?
>
>>> "Iarnrod" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> Someone who knows more than Ben "OKC was an inside job" Partin.
>
>> "-" wrote:
>>> And why does "Vandar" know more than General Ben Partin ?
>
>Vandar yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I didn't say I did. I said the credibility of that Rense piece is shot
>> by the guy saying he never knew "Col. Donn de Grand-Pre" to lie.
>> Do a little research on "Col. Donn de Grand-Pre" and you'll know why.
>
>
> I'm doing a little research but I still don't know why.
> Care to elaborate, using the URLs and citations aplenty? ...
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: george
Date: May 2, 2008 13:20

On May 3, 5:00 am, "johnoneill" gmail.com> wrote:
> Just watch Vandar playing all high and mighty about "credibility".
>
> Too bad he's a chickenshit, so he won't do the same on Kissinger,
> Silverstein etc etc.

So you looked up the links and saw that the latest kook claim comes
from a real kook with a history.
And rather than work with that you are once more reduced to childish
attacks upon the presenters of evidence...
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: -
Date: May 2, 2008 13:59

>>> "-" wrote:
>>>> And why does "Vandar" know more than General Ben Partin ?
>> Vandar yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I didn't say I did. I said the credibility of that Rense piece is shot
>>> by the guy saying he never knew "Col. Donn de Grand-Pre" to lie.
>>> Do a little research on "Col. Donn de Grand-Pre" and you'll know why.
> "-" hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm doing a little research but I still don't know why.
>> Care to elaborate, using the URLs and citations aplenty?

adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

Yes, I had found this one already, though like classic ethnic
humour perhaps I need to have the punch-line explained to me.
In the first remark poster "James B." seems confused about...
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: Iarnrod
Date: May 3, 2008 10:20

On May 2, 12:25 pm, jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>>>> "-" wrote:
>> Hell, do a little research on Gen. Ben Partin while you're at it.
>> You might be surprised.   "Ben is no conspiracy wacko"
>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4224779103128976372
>
>           You're judging him by what you find to be his "unacceptable"
>      conclusions, mostly those which force you to think and rethink,
>      rather than by any critique of methodological fallacies.

No, we're judghing him by his logical fallacies. He says he knew
within "hours" that McVeigh's truck bomb could not have done the
damage that it did. But he couldn't have know "within hours" what the
bomb was, and he proves his stupidity by still repeating even today
his incorrect description of the bomb. It was not a 4,000 pound
ammonium nitrate and fuel oil bomb,

It was on the order of 6,800 pounds of AN plus Tovex plus
nitromethane, a chemical fuel used in drag racing. It was not diesel
fuel.
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: John P.
Date: May 3, 2008 16:15

"-" hotmail.com> wrote in a message
> Then, "James B" doesn't appear to understand how interservice
> operations may work: an O6 might serve as an Army Colonel while
> attached with an Army Unit, an Air Force Colonel while attached
> with the Air Force and a Marine Colonel while with the Marines.

Nope. If you're in the Army and go do some work with the Marines, you're
still an Army Colonel.
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: Seon Ferguson
Date: May 3, 2008 21:25

"Vandar" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:GcESj.2454$Cn4.751@news02.roc.ny...
>- wrote:
>> "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."
>> - Brigadier General Ben Partin, U.S.A.F. (Ret)
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> http://www.rense.com/general81/rebut.htm
>>
>> Rebuttal: Flight 93 Video
>> Devy Kidd
>> 4-29-8
>> Jeff:
>> I feel it important to rebut a video you've posted titled, 'No Plane'
>> Says
>> Shanksville Mayor' as I feel it's very misleading:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s
>> I believe our goal regarding 911 is to seek the truth, not
>> sensationalism. I ...
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: johnoneill
Date: May 4, 2008 03:12

"george" hnpl.net> wrote in message news:3cb8e742-3849-4d89-b53c-4c4bd929bd4a@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 3, 5:00 am, "johnoneill" gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just watch Vandar playing all high and mighty about "credibility".
>>
>> Too bad he's a chickenshit, so he won't do the same on Kissinger,
>> Silverstein etc etc.
>
> So you looked up the links and saw that the latest kook claim comes
> from a real kook with a history.

So, you have (as always) ignored "kook's" demands to be as critical about Silverstein
as you are about "kooks"?

Pffff, george.
> And rather than work with that you are once more reduced to childish
> attacks upon the presenters of evidence...

Vandar is a liar, just like you, georgieboy. I can't insult you guys. You've
insulted yourself and everyone else the day you were spewed out of your
mommas' wombs.
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: george
Date: May 4, 2008 13:56

On May 4, 10:12 pm, "johnoneill" gmail.com> wrote:
> "george" hnpl.net> wrote in messagenews:3cb8e742-3849-4d89-b53c-4c4bd929bd4a@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> So you looked up the links and saw that the latest kook claim comes
>> from a real kook with a history.
>
> So, you have (as always) ignored "kook's" demands to be as critical about Silverstein
> as you are about "kooks"?
>
> Pffff, george.
>
>> And rather than work with that you are once more reduced to childish
>> attacks upon the presenters of evidence...
>
> Vandar is a liar, just like you, georgieboy. I can't insult you guys. You've
> insulted yourself and everyone else the day you were spewed out of your
> mommas' wombs.

So you're losing not only the plot but also any semblance of sanity
you might have claimed..
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Re: "Flight 93 was deliberately shot down in a no win situation..."         


Author: johnoneill
Date: May 4, 2008 14:08

"george" hnpl.net> wrote in message news:ab0e03ae-044a-49f4-b70b-acd70c332035@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 4, 10:12 pm, "johnoneill" gmail.com> wrote:
>> "george" hnpl.net> wrote in messagenews:3cb8e742-3849-4d89-b53c-4c4bd929bd4a@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> So you looked up the links and saw that the latest kook claim comes
>>> from a real kook with a history.
>>
>> So, you have (as always) ignored "kook's" demands to be as critical about Silverstein
>> as you are about "kooks"?
>>
>> Pffff, george.
>>
>>> And rather than work with that you are once more reduced to childish
>>> attacks upon the presenters of evidence...
>>
>> Vandar is a liar, just like you, georgieboy. I can't insult you guys. You've
>> insulted yourself and everyone else the day you were spewed out of your
>> mommas' wombs.
>
> So you're losing not only the plot but also any semblance of sanity ...
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