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	<title><![CDATA[OBAMA ADMIN REVEALS PLANS TO ADVANCE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Obama administration reveals plans to advance gay agenda<br><br>CNA <br>November 23, 2008<br><br>President-elect Barack Obama Washington DC, Nov 23, 2008 /<br>07:48 pm (CNA) - Citing what they call America's "promise<br>of equality," the Obama administration plans to push for<br>homosexual rights by including protections of sexual<br>orientation, "gender identity" and "gender expression" as<br>civil rights. His office proposes expanding hate crimes<br>statues and the adoption rights of homosexuals while<br>supporting full civil unions for "LGBT couples" to give<br>them "legal rights and privileges equal to those of married<br>couples."The proposals are announced under the Civil Rights<br>section of their agenda presented at <a href="http://Change.gov" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">Change.gov</a>, the web<br>site of the Obama campaign's self-described...<br><br>Continues here: <br><a href="http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2137618/posts" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2137618/posts</a> <br><br>Jai Maharaj <br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/24fq83" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/24fq83</a> <br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/jai" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/jai</a> <br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/jyotish" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/jyotish</a> <br>Om Shanti <br><br>Hindu Holocaust Museum<br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/holocaust" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/holocaust</a><br><br>Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy<br><a href="http://www.hindu.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.hindu.org</a><br><a href="http://www.hindunet.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.hindunet.org</a><br><br>The truth about Islam and Muslims<br><a href="http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate</a><br><br>DISCLAIMER AND CONDITIONS<br><br>     o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational<br>purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not<br>have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the<br>poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for<br>fair use of copyrighted works.<br>     o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,<br>considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current<br>e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.<br>     o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are<br>not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.<br><br>FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use of<br>which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright<br>owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the<br>understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,<br>democratic, scientific, social, and cultural, etc., issues. It is believed<br>that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as<br>provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title<br>17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without<br>profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included<br>information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by<br>subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more information<br>go to:  <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml</a> <br>If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article for purposes of<br>your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the<br>copyright owner.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA['The reason Barack stayed is his homosexual relationship with Rev Wright']]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[The reason Barack stayed is his homosexual relationship with Rev Wright<br><br>By Pat Dollard<br>Pat Dollard Blog <br>December 10, 2008  <br><br>"The Reason Barack Stayed Is His Homosexual Relationship<br>With Rev. Wright" <br><br>Three Gay Members Of Obama's Church Murdered Execution<br>Style <br><br>"The bombshell may involve the murder of Donald Young, a<br>47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright's<br>Trinity United Church of Christ -- the same congregation<br>that Obama has attended for the past 20 years.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[HOOSIERS FILE SUIT CHALLENGING OBAMA'S BIRTH STATUS]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Hoosiers file suit challenging Obama's birth status<br><br>By Tim Evans<br><a href="http://Indy.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">Indy.com</a> <br>Thursday, December 25, 2008<br><br>As officials in Washington prepare for the inauguration of<br>President-elect Barack Obama, two Indiana men have filed a<br>lawsuit asking a judge to throw out the election results.<br>The suit, filed in Marion Superior Court, Room 10, is among<br>five loosely coordinated challenges that question Obama's<br>status as a "natural born citizen." Gov. Mitch Daniels and<br>the Republican and Democratic national committees are named<br>as defendants in the Indiana suit, filed by Steve Ankeny,<br>New Castle, and Bill Kruse, Ro...<br><br>Continues here: <br><a href="http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2154572/posts" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2154572/posts</a> <br><br>Jai Maharaj <br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/24fq83" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/24fq83</a> <br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/jai" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/jai</a> <br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/jyotish" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/jyotish</a> <br>Om Shanti <br><br>Hindu Holocaust Museum<br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/holocaust" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/holocaust</a><br><br>Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy<br><a href="http://www.hindu.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.hindu.org</a><br><a href="http://www.hindunet.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.hindunet.org</a><br><br>The truth about Islam and Muslims<br><a href="http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate</a><br><br>DISCLAIMER AND CONDITIONS<br><br>     o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational<br>purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not<br>have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the<br>poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for<br>fair use of copyrighted works.<br>     o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,<br>considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current<br>e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.<br>     o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are<br>not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.<br><br>FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use of<br>which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright<br>owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the<br>understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,<br>democratic, scientific, social, and cultural, etc., issues. It is believed<br>that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as<br>provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title<br>17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without<br>profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included<br>information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by<br>subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more information<br>go to:  <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml</a> <br>If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article for purposes of<br>your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the<br>copyright owner.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[OBAMA'S MEDIA FREE RIDE]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Obama's Media Free Ride<br><br>By Robert Stacy McCain<br>The American Spectator <br>Friday, December 26, 2008<br><br>How long will the media continue its gushing adoration of<br>Barack Obama? This is the question raised by the adulatory<br>prose of The Washington Post's Eli Saslow: Between workouts<br>during his Hawaii vacation this week, he was photographed<br>looking like the paradigm of a new kind of presidential<br>fitness, one geared less toward preventing heart attacks<br>than winning swimsuit competitions. The sun glinted off<br>chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weightlifting<br>sessions each week, and a body toned by regular treadmill<br>runs and basketball games. Such "reporting" ought to make<br>Saslow a laughingstock among the hard-bitten cynics of the<br>Washington press...<br><br>Continues here: <br><a href="http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2154545/posts" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2154545/posts</a> <br><br>Jai Maharaj <br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/24fq83" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/24fq83</a> <br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/jai" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/jai</a> <br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/jyotish" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/jyotish</a> <br>Om Shanti <br><br>Hindu Holocaust Museum<br><a href="http://www.mantra.com/holocaust" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.mantra.com/holocaust</a><br><br>Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy<br><a href="http://www.hindu.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.hindu.org</a><br><a href="http://www.hindunet.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.hindunet.org</a><br><br>The truth about Islam and Muslims<br><a href="http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate</a><br><br>DISCLAIMER AND CONDITIONS<br><br>     o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational<br>purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not<br>have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the<br>poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for<br>fair use of copyrighted works.<br>     o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,<br>considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current<br>e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.<br>     o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are<br>not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.<br><br>FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use of<br>which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright<br>owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the<br>understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,<br>democratic, scientific, social, and cultural, etc., issues. It is believed<br>that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as<br>provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title<br>17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without<br>profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included<br>information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by<br>subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more information<br>go to:  <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml</a> <br>If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article for purposes of<br>your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the<br>copyright owner.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: A mysterious bright star will appear in the sky visible to all -  within days]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Dec 16, 11:31 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:44 -0800 (PST), RH <halcon7r...@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >Dear Readers:<br>><br>> >It is logical for you not to expect anything to materialize that can't<br>> >be easily ignored or explained away.  You don't expect any major<br>> >changes in the world, or for world peace to ever come because you've<br>> >become conditioned to expect the future to resemble the past. We all<br>> >do it.<br>><br>> >The "Christmas Miracle" will cause a lot of very smart people to<br>> >scratch their heads.<br>><br>> >About a week after the star is sighted, watch for a remarkably wise<br>> >person who will be interviewed on a major tv network in the USA. He<br>> >will be talking about solutions to the most pressing problems of our<br>> >civilization. He will become very famous and useful to humanity.<br>><br>> >In the very near future, we will witness the end of hunger, war and<br>> >poverty -  and the end of every other miserable, corrupt aspect of<br>> >modern life.<br>><br>> >Wait and see!<br>><br>> When will be allowed to laugh uproariously at you and your religious<br>> delusion RH?<br>><br>> 26 Dec 09?<br>><br>> 01 Jan 09?<br>><br>> 15 Jan 09?<br>><br>> 31 Jan 09?<br>><br>> When does your ambiguous prediction become ludicrous?<br>><br>> --<br>> Shill #2<br>><br>> "When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When<br>> many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."<br>>   Robert M. Pirsig- Hide quoted text -<br>><br>> - Show quoted text -<br><br>You probably believe in the Anuki as well are right along side of the<br>planet niburu swinging in on its 3,300 elliptical orbit.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Palestinians terrorists murder Gaza children]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br>"-" <jazzerciser@<a href="http://hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">hotmail.com</a>> wrote in message<br>news:4950e969.708950376@<a href="http://news3.isomedia.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">news3.isomedia.com</a>...<br>><br>>      Department of the fucken Jew<br><br><br>While the anonymous bigot known as "jazzerciser" engages in his lunatic<br>antisemitic ravings, here's what's really going on:<br><br>Palestinian rocket misfires, kills 2 girls in Gaza<br>By IBRAHIM BARZAK - 1 hour ago<br><br>GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - A crude rocket fired by Palestinian militants<br>fell short of its target in Israel on Friday, striking a house in the<br>northern Gaza Strip and killing two schoolgirls.<br><br>The attack came as Israel sent mixed signals over its plans to respond to<br>continuing Palestinian rocket fire. Israeli defense officials say<br>politicians have approved a large-scale incursion into the territory once<br>rainy conditions clear. But at the same time, Israel appeared receptive to<br>international pressure against an invasion, opening the Gaza border Friday<br>to allow in deliveries of humanitarian aid.<br><br>None of Gaza's militant factions claimed responsibility for the deadly<br>attack on the house in Beit Lahiya. Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moiaya<br>Hassanain said the two victims, ages 5 and 12, were cousins. Three other<br>children were wounded, he said.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD95AII1G0" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9...</a><br><br><br><br>These thugs failed.  They were supposed to murder Jewish children, not their<br>own.  Time for Israel to clean out this rat's nest.  The Palestinians<br>clearly can't do it themselves.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Each year doctors and nurses in the United States kill nearly one<br>hundred thousand Americans. ...and get well paid for their<br>performance.<br><br>Maybe killing people is a doctor's thing in England as well.<br><br>When the venerable Institute of Medicine (IOM) published a report in<br>1999 citing nearly 100,000 deaths annually as a result of medical<br>errors, it was news only to those outside the medical field; indeed,<br>it shocked only those outside the medical community.<br><br>'The person most likely to kill you is not a relative or a friend, or<br>a mugger or a burglar or a drunken driver. The person most likely to<br>kill you is your doctor.<br>---  --- Vernon Coleman, author--- What Doctors Don't Tell You<br><br>Doctors Are Officially Big Killers - Alongside Heart Disease And<br>Cancer<br><br>The Journal of the American Medical Association recently reported<br>that<br>as many as 106,000 deaths occur annually in US hospitals due to<br>adverse reactions to prescription drugs that are properly prescribed<br>by physicians that use them as directed by the drug companies.<br><br>Even worse, the National Council for Patient Information and<br>Education<br>reported that an additional 125,000 deaths occur annually due to<br>adverse reactions to drugs that the physician never should have<br>prescribed, The annual death toll from synthetic prescription drugs,<br>both from the correctly prescribed and the incorrectly prescribed,<br>amounts to about 231,000 deaths every year. No information was<br>reported on the number of outpatient and doctor's office deaths<br>caused<br>by these very same drugs when prescribed by these very same doctors.<br><br>According to Dr. Mendelsohn, author of "Confessions of a Medical<br>Heretic", 2.4 million unnecessary operations are performed every year<br>and they cost over 12,000 lives.<br><br>When the records of six New York hospitals were examined it was found<br>that 43%% of the Hysterectomies that were performed were medically<br>unnecessary.<br><br>According to the World Health Report 2000 the United States ranks<br>twelfth, that is second from the bottom, in their thirteen country<br>survey of sixteen available health indicators. We are dead last for<br>low birth weight and neonatal and infant mortality. We rank between<br>ninth and twelfth for all life expectancy categories between one year<br>and 40 years. Another study ranked the United States as fifteenth in<br>the twenty-five industrialized countries studied<br><br>A large part of this medical disaster that the United States<br>currently<br>experiences is due to the way our medical community is organized.<br>Basically it is not organized to heal and to cure disease; the<br>medical<br>community, particularly at its upper levels, is a commercial venture<br>organized to make money for its practitioners.<br><br>Today in America the practice of medicine is not free. It is one of<br>the most tightly controlled commercial enterprises in the world. That<br>is why it produces such extraordinary income for it's favored and<br>such<br>misery, disease and death for its victims.<br><br>You have every right to get the information for which you are paying.<br>When your doctor retreats into arrogance and refuses to provide<br>direct<br>answers to direct questions, consider getting another doctor. There<br>really are many safe and effective therapies that go far beyond<br>drugs.<br>However, we must demand them on the firing line, in the doctor's<br>office, when we need them.<br><br>Stay Well.<br><br>---   Thomas Smith<br><br>Thomas Smith is a reluctant medical investigator having been forced<br>into seeking a cure for his own Diabetes because it was obvious that<br>his doctor would not or could not cure it. He has published the<br>results of his successful Diabetes investigation in his special<br>report<br>entitled "Insulin: Our Silent Killer" written for the layman but also<br>widely valued by the medical practitioner. This report may be<br>purchased by sending $25.00 US to him at PO Box 7685 Loveland,<br>Colorado 80537. He has also posted a great deal of useful information<br>about this disease on his web page <a href="http://www.Healingmatters.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">www.Healingmatters.com</a> He can be<br>reached by telephone at 970 669-9176.<br><br><a href="http://www.handpen.com/Cancell/gansters.htm" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.handpen.com/Cancell/gansters.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cause-of-Death-in-the-US.htm" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cause-of-Death-in-the-US...</a><br>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:13:18 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>>,<br>Message ID:<br><49516284$0$15748$5a62ac22@<a href="http://per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au</a>> wrote in<br>alt.atheism;<br><br>><br>><br>>"Yap" <hhyapster@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote in message <br>>news:d6a5b64f-ba7d-45a3-9622-98d1c893e868@<a href="http://l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com</a>...<br>>> On Dec 9, 11:36 am, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> Looks like the Christian jihadists are at it again.<br>>>><br>>>> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html</a><br>>>><br>>>> By Mallory Simon<br>>>> CNN<br>>>> Decrease font Decrease font<br>>>> Enlarge font Enlarge font<br>>>><br>>>> (CNN) -- An atheist sign criticizing Christianity that was erected <br>>>> alongside<br>>>> a Nativity scene was taken from the Legislative Building in Olympia,<br>>>> Washington, on Friday and later found in a ditch.<br>>>> The Freedom from Religion Foundation had a placard up in the Legislative<br>>>> Building in Olympia, Washington.<br><br>[]<br><br>>>> The atheist message was never intended to attack anyone, Barker said.<br>>>><br>>>> "When people ask us, 'Why are you hateful? Why are you putting up <br>>>> something<br>>>> critical of people's holidays? -- we respond that we kind of feel that <br>>>> the<br>>>> Christian message is the hate message," he said. "On that Nativity scene,<br>>>> there is this threat of internal violence if we don't submit to that <br>>>> master.<br>>>> Hate speech goes both ways."<br>>><br>>> It's no surprise at all.<br>>> The thugs don't believe in freedom of speech or belief.<br>>> Past history were telling us that religion was the main cause for a<br>>> lot of killing, persecution and wars.<br>>> Younger generation will realize that sooner or later.<br>>> Atheism is the only way forward.....and religion is the way backwards.<br>><br>>Yep I can't argue with that but Stalin was an Atheist as well. <br><br>Small 'a,' please as the word atheist wasn't the first word in the<br>sentence.<br><br>>People will always use Religion or Communism to control people. I would add that <br>>Religion is the reason for suffering as well.<br><br>Another round on that broken merry-go-round, I see.  Once again. Stalin<br>went to Seminary.  Seminary, where he would have learned how often the<br>Church formented and supported rebellion against the state.  <br><br>Such has nothing to do with the lack of theism.  It has everything to do<br>with a known and open threat to the state.  If the Church's track record<br>had been one of strict neutrality there would have been no motivation to<br>control and monitor it.  Do keep in mind churches remained open<br>throughout the Soviet era and clergy was paid by the state.<br><br>A binary mindset is all too often wrong when it is applied to non-binary<br>situations.  It would help you to keep that in mind.<br><br>If a person is not thirsty there is no motivation to get a drink of<br>water.  If a person does drink the motivation comes from elsewhere.<br><br>You're an excellent objective example of the difficulty in ditching the<br>stone age bullshit.  {Again, not a dig}  It's hard.  I very well know.<br><br>Suggestion, if I may;  print out some of these responses and post them<br>in the area of your computer monitor.<br><br>         <br><br>   <br>             Stoney<br>"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion<br>               and<br>          SCAMPERMEISTER!"<br><br>When in doubt, SCAMPER about!<br>When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!<br>When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!<br>/end humour alert<br><br>alt.atheism military veteran #11<br>{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}<br>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:03:25 -0800 (PST), Yap <hhyapster@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>>,<br>Message ID:<br><d6a5b64f-ba7d-45a3-9622-98d1c893e868@<a href="http://l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com</a>><br>wrote in alt.atheism;<br><br>>On Dec 9, 11:36 am, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Looks like the Christian jihadists are at it again.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html</a><br>>><br>>> By Mallory Simon<br>>> CNN<br>>> Decrease font Decrease font<br>>> Enlarge font Enlarge font<br>>><br>>> (CNN) -- An atheist sign criticizing Christianity that was erected alongside<br>>> a Nativity scene was taken from the Legislative Building in Olympia,<br>>> Washington, on Friday and later found in a ditch.<br>>> The Freedom from Religion Foundation had a placard up in the Legislative<br>>> Building in Olympia, Washington.<br>>><br>>> An employee from country radio station KMPS-FM in Seattle told CNN the sign<br>>> was dropped off at the station by someone who found it in a ditch.<br>>><br>>> "I thought it would be safe," Freedom From Religion Foundation co-founder<br>>> Annie Laurie Gaylor told CNN earlier Friday. "It's always a shock when your<br>>> sign is censored or stolen or mutilated. It's not something you get used<br>>> to."<br>>><br>>> The sign, which celebrates the winter solstice, has had some residents and<br>>> Christian organizations calling atheists Scrooges because they said it was<br>>> attacking the celebration of Jesus Christ's birth.<br>>><br>>> "Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves<br>>> minds," the sign from the Freedom From Religion Foundation says in part.<br>>><br>>> The sign, which was at the Legislative Building at 6:30 a.m. PT, was gone by<br>>> 7:30 a.m., Gaylor said.<br>>><br>>> The incident will not stifle the group's message, Gaylor said. Before<br>>> reports of the placard's recovery, she said a temporary sign with the same<br>>> message would be placed in the building's Rotunda. Gaylor said a note would<br>>> be attached saying, "Thou shalt not steal."<br>>> Don't Miss<br>>><br>>>     * <a href="http://iReport.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">iReport.com</a>: Over-the-top holiday displays?<br>>><br>>> "I guess they don't follow their own commandments," Gaylor said. "There's<br>>> nothing out there with the atheist point of view, and now there is such a<br>>> firestorm that we have the audacity to exist. And then [whoever took the<br>>> sign] stifles our speech."<br>>><br>>> Gaylor said that police are checking security cameras pointed at the<br>>> building's entrances and exits to see if they can see anyone stealing the<br>>> sign.<br>>><br>>> "It's probably about 50 pounds, " Gaylor said. "My brother-in-law was<br>>> huffing and puffing carrying it up the stairs. It's definitely not something<br>>> you can stick under your arm or conceal."<br>>><br>>> The Washington State Patrol, which is handling the incident, could not be<br>>> reached for comment.<br>>><br>>> Dan Barker, a former evangelical preacher and co-founder of the group, said<br>>> it was important for atheists to see their viewpoints validated alongside<br>>> everyone else's.<br>>><br>>> Barker said the display is especially important given that 25 percent of<br>>> Washington state residents are unaffiliated with religion or do not believe<br>>> in God. (A recent survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found<br>>> 23 percent of Washingtonians said they were unaffiliated with a religion and<br>>> 7 percent said they didn't believe in God.)<br>>><br>>> "It's not that we are trying to coerce anyone; in a way our sign is a signal<br>>> of protest," Barker said. "If there can be a Nativity scene saying that we<br>>> are all going to hell if we don't bow down to Jesus, we should be at the<br>>> table to share our views."<br>>><br>>> He said if anything, it's the Nativity scene that is the intrusion.<br>>><br>>> "Most people think December is for Christians and view our signs as an<br>>> intrusion, when actually it's the other way around," he said. "People have<br>>> been celebrating the winter solstice long before Christmas. We see<br>>> Christianity as the intruder, trying to steal the holiday from all of us<br>>> humans."<br>>><br>>> The scene in Washington state is not unfamiliar. Barker has had signs in<br>>> Madison, Wisconsin, for 13 years. The placard is often turned around so the<br>>> message can't be seen, and one year, someone threw acid on it, forcing the<br>>> group to encase it in Plexiglas.<br>>><br>>> In Washington, D.C., the American Humanist Association began a bus ad<br>>> campaign this month questioning belief in God.<br>>><br>>> "Why believe in a God?" the advertisement asks. "Just be good for goodness<br>>> sake."<br>>><br>>> That ad has caused the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority to<br>>> field hundreds of complaints, the group said, but it has heard just as much<br>>> positive feedback, said Fred Edwords, the association's spokesman.<br>>><br>>> Edwords said the ad campaign, which features a shrugging Santa Claus, was<br>>> not meant to attack Christmas but rather to reach out to an untapped<br>>> audience.<br>>><br>>> Edwords maintains the campaign began in December mostly because the group<br>>> had extra money left over for the year. The connection to Christmas is a<br>>> coincidence, he said.<br>>><br>>> "There are a lot of people out there who don't know there are organizations<br>>> like ours to serve their needs," Edwords said. "The thing is, to reach a<br>>> minority group, in order to be heard, everyone in the room has to hear you,<br>>> even when they don't want to."<br>>><br>>> The ad campaign, Edwords said, is to make people think. He said he doesn't<br>>> expect to "convert" anyone.<br>>><br>>> But the Christian Coalition of America is urging members to oppose the<br>>> advertisements.<br>>><br>>> "Although a number of humanists and atheists continue to attempt to rid God<br>>> and Christmas from the public square, the American people are overwhelmingly<br>>> opposed to such efforts," Roberta Combs, the group's president said in a<br>>> press release.<br>>><br>>> "We will ask our millions of supporters to call the city of Washington,<br>>> D.C., and Congress to stop this un-Godly campaign."<br>>><br>>> As far as the criticism goes, Edwords said there are far more controversial<br>>> placards in Washington.<br>>><br>>> "That's D.C. -- this is a political center," he said. "If I can see a<br>>> placard with dead fetuses on it, I think someone can look at our question<br>>> and just think about it."<br>>><br>>> The anger over the display in Olympia began after it was assembled Monday.<br>>> The sentiment grew after some national media personalities called upon<br>>> viewers to flood the phone lines of the governor's office.<br>>><br>>> The governor's office told The Seattle Times it received more than 200 calls<br>>> an hour afterward.<br>>><br>>> "I happen to be a Christian, and I don't agree with the display that is up<br>>> there," Washington Gov. Christine Gregoire told The Olympian newspaper. "But<br>>> that doesn't mean that as governor, I have the right to deny their ability<br>>> to express their free speech."<br>>><br>>> For some, the issue isn't even that the atheists are putting their thoughts<br>>> on display, but rather the way in which they are doing it.<br>>><br>>> "They are shooting themselves in the foot," said iReport contributor Rich<br>>> Phillips, who describes himself as an atheist. "Everyone's out there for the<br>>> holidays, trying to represent their religion, their beliefs, and it's a time<br>>> to be positive."<br>>><br>>> The atheist message was never intended to attack anyone, Barker said.<br>>><br>>> "When people ask us, 'Why are you hateful? Why are you putting up something<br>>> critical of people's holidays? -- we respond that we kind of feel that the<br>>> Christian message is the hate message," he said. "On that Nativity scene,<br>>> there is this threat of internal violence if we don't submit to that master.<br>>> Hate speech goes both ways."<br>><br>>It's no surprise at all.<br>>The thugs don't believe in freedom of speech or belief.<br>>Past history were telling us that religion was the main cause for a<br>>lot of killing, persecution and wars.<br><br>And current events.<br><br>>Younger generation will realize that sooner or later.<br>>Atheism is the only way forward.....and religion is the way backwards.<br><br>Disagree.  Sorry.  Superstition's frozen in the stone age.<br>         <br><br>   <br>             Stoney<br>"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion<br>               and<br>          SCAMPERMEISTER!"<br><br>When in doubt, SCAMPER about!<br>When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!<br>When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!<br>/end humour alert<br><br>alt.atheism military veteran #11<br>{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}<br>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:31:21 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>>,<br>Message ID:<br><494f262d$0$15717$5a62ac22@<a href="http://per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au</a>> wrote in<br>alt.atheism;<br><br>><br>><br>>"stoney" <stoney@<a href="http://the.net" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">the.net</a>> wrote in message <br>>news:nfvtk4ld0ht57sa494rh8emdbg0gv39r7i@<a href="http://4ax.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">4ax.com</a>...<br>>> On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:36:56 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>>,<br>>> Message ID:<br>>> <493de7df$0$3871$5a62ac22@<a href="http://per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au</a>> wrote in<br>>> alt.atheism;<br>>><br>>>>Looks like the Christian jihadists are at it again.<br>>>><br>>>><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html</a><br>>>><br>>>>By Mallory Simon<br>>>>CNN<br>>>>Decrease font Decrease font<br>>>>Enlarge font Enlarge font<br>>>><br>>>>(CNN) -- An atheist sign criticizing Christianity that was erected <br>>>>alongside<br>>>>a Nativity scene was taken from the Legislative Building in Olympia,<br>>>>Washington, on Friday and later found in a ditch.<br>>>>The Freedom from Religion Foundation had a placard up in the Legislative<br>>>>Building in Olympia, Washington.<br>>><br>>> Christian Cowardice and Dishonesty raises its ugly head yet again.<br>>> No surprise there.<br>>><br>>Especially since it's America.<br><br>Oh, its just not common to the former USA.<br>         <br><br>   <br>             Stoney<br>"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion<br>               and<br>          SCAMPERMEISTER!"<br><br>When in doubt, SCAMPER about!<br>When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!<br>When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!<br>/end humour alert<br><br>alt.atheism military veteran #11<br>{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}<br>
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