None of these say anything that questions the conclusion that no
man-made demolition contributed to any of the destruction at WTC or
that anything other than 4 hijacked airplanes caused all the
destruction on 9/11 is to look stupid and IMO, this is the real
purpose of the "Truth Movement", to make critics of the administration
look like idiots
Screw Bush and the Bush administration.
Screw the "Truth Movement".
Liars, all of them.
Not a single Truth Movement "expert" is willing to speak in public and
answer questions from people with relevant expertise. The resumes we
know of show that the alleged experts are speaking outside their area
of expertise.
Which has nothing to do with the core claims of the Truth Movement:
man-made explosives and molten steel on the pile at WTC and something
other than an 4 hijacked commercial airplanes causing all the damage.
That has nothing to do with the engineering analysis of the collapse
of three WTC towers and the aviation crash scene analysis at N.Y., at
the Pentagon and Shanksville that all show that 4 jets caused all the
destruction on 9/11. It says nothing bout the crime investigation
that shows that 19 Arabs hijacked those planes.
But those people represent .01%% ot the world's experts and none of
your experts will answer questions from any of the 99.99%% that don't
agree with Twoofer claims.
00.01%% of the experts in the world have joined the "Truth Movement"
but in each case, we don't know why because they won't speak for
themselves in public or with the other 99.99%%. Nobody from the "Truth
Movement" will speak in public to defend their theories with anyone
with relevant expertise.
None of these people have any expertise in structural engineering or
demolition and apparently won't speak to any group of people with
relevant expertise to explain what they believe that anything other
than two civilian jets caused all the destruction at WTC.
99.999%% of the people with relevant expertise disagree with you. The
.001%% that do don't have the balls to speak in front of people with
relevant expertise to defend their assertions. They just sell books
and DVDs to people that are ignorant of relevant engineering,
aviation, and history.
Prof. Jones, David Ray Griffin, and Richard Gage make Shit
up. Witnesses William Rodriquez, John Schroeder, Scott Forbes, Brian
jennings, and Kevin McPadden are the source of much of the core "Truth
Movement" claims.
To date, none of these people will speak to any but "TM friendly"
groups. They will only speak to groups that are ignorant of any the
claims being made and, hence, unable to ask meaningful questions.
That's what makes the children's crusade of the "Truth Movement" the
huge failure it is. Everyone that knows anything about aviation
laughs at the claim. The Twoofers that invent them sell books and
DVDs but never speak in public in front of people with knowledge
relevant to their claims or that actually know what happened on 9/11
in detail.
Nobody with relevant expertise thinks that man-made explosives are
necessary to explain any unknowns.
Nobody that claims man-made demolition can explain why in a way that
makes sense to the millions of of other people that have relevant
expertise.
Purge the nuts that base their other beliefs on that bullshit and
maybe you will actually help find something. The reason the "Truth
Movement" is so tiny is that some of them think that "asking
questions" consists of shouting "inside job" in a bullhorn where they
are not wanted.
Purge the nuts that base their other beliefs on that bullshit and
maybe you will actually help find something.
6 years of made up shit, fraudulent quotes, and parotted opinions from
non-experts and you've still got nothing that convinces people that
know something about civil engineering, aviation, or demolition or
were eyewitnesses or were any of the estimated 70,000 first responders
and investigators of the events of 9/11 that there is anything about
what happened that required the use of man-made explosives.
Questions are good. Not listening to fact-based, polite answers is not
good. Not everyone that fact-checks the "Truth Movement" crap is a
supporter of the Bush administration. I'm not.
You are a loon. You aren't "investigating" or "asking questions", you
have an answer and you will make up any shit and ignore any
information in order to propagate your idiocy.
Has he joined the "Truth Movement"? I don't think so. Has ANY
eyewitness joined the Truth Movement? I don't think so.
Who but an eyewitness, someone who very possibly knew someone that
died in the attack, would become a critic of the standard story if
that story was a lie, as the Truth Movement claims it is.
I wonder why, Maybe because if they know the "Truth Movement" exists,
they know that what the movement say is bullshit for the part they
saw. I know it is for me.
If you believe someone has, respond only if you know the name. Too
much of the Half-Truth Movement is based on "someone said..." when
they, in fact, said no such thing.
Put all the statements in the context of all the evidence:
Only a k00k takes one eyewitness and tries to pretend that it makes
all the testimony and evidence we have go away.
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The movement that uses the word, "Truth" too much and continues to use
people's names and quotes without permission and out of context and
continues to produce bullshit faster than fact-based people can shovel
it. I know two of the names here are people that think Twwofers are
nuts.
I also know that most of these people are making claims for which they
have zero professional expertise and therefor their request for a "new
investigation" counts for no more than my Aunt Tilly.
Several million people witnessesed some bit of the events of
9/11. Millions of us know people that saw other bits. These people
know that the people that call themselves the "Truth Movement" have
based their claims on fraudulent quotes and invented shit. Essentially
no eyewitnesses are part of the "Truth Movement". Those that are can
be counted on the fingers of onen hand and tend to make sh*t up,.
Some of us know the hacked and cherry-picked quotes that the "Truth
Movement" uses to make shit up about the WTC.
On one hand, you use out-of-context firemen's quotes to claim that
they saw man-made explosives at WTC. On the other hand, when presented
to you, you ignore the quotes of firemen that make it clear that WTC7
was on fire all day and beginning to collapse hours before it came
down. Each quote has to be red unedited and in full context. The
"Truth Movement doesn't do that.
The "Truth Movement" doesn't dispute the massive public record for the
events of 9/11. Worthy of Orwell's memory hole, they try to deny that
a public record exists to be fact-checked and to use to fact-check the
made-up shit that Truth Movement people parrot. People that were not
in NYC, Washington, DC, or Western PA on 9/11 and afterwords (or were
to young to watch the news) don't realize that about 70,000 people
worked on the recovery and thousands of reporters working for 100s of
news outlets told their stories, daily in the local media. The
workers saw, nightly, their stories and nobody ever said that the
media got it wrong in significant ways. The "Truth Movement" would
have you believe that the stories that anyone can get via computer
today never happened.
Thousands of eyewitnesses saw some aspect of the events of 9/11 and
they saw things that were consistant with PM and the "Standard Story"
and contrary to Twoofer claims.
First, I believe my own eyes as as someone familiar with WTC before
9/11, what I saw where I was in Manhattan on 9/11 and and what I saw
of the pile starting a couple weeks after 9/11. Then I believe my
friends, some of which were in WTC on 9/11 and worked on the pile for
months, afterwords.
There are many thousands of eyewitnesses and first-responders. WTC was
possibly the best photographed disaster in history. There are many
thousands of photographs and video segments. The "Truth Movement"
shows only a few and they are cherry-picked to make a point and any
evidence to the contrary is edited out.
The post-9/11 analysis and reporting is consistent with what the
eyewitnesses say and what the video record shows.
Any claim made by the "Truth Movement" has to be examined in the
context of ALL of the above.
In 6 years of whining, they have said NOTHING that fits the eyewitness
statements and the video record.
You are in unencumbered by any facts.
There is a reason why no Mahattanites that were eyewitnesses to the
plane impacts are part of the "truth movement".
It isn't just eyewitnesses, anyway, they are just part of a huge
record for the "standard story". The Twoofers have do discredit large
parts of that record AND propose an alternative theory that is
consistant with the rest of the record before thet can be taken
seriously.
Only when each bit of evidence is evaluated in the context of all the
evidence, all the eyewitness reports and the laws of physics and the
educated, informed opinion of relevent experts.
You can't cherry-pick some and ignore the rest.
Nobody with any relevant expertise in aviation or civil engineering is
using that expertise to explain how something is wrong in the
"standard story" in any way that makes sense to others with relevant
expertise.
Nobody in the "Truth Movement" is speaking within their area of
expertise unless it's a theologian speaking about "belief". Most of
the people listed by the "Truth Movement' as having technical
expertise turn out to have exaggerated their resumes when checked.
There are no eyewitnesses to "molten metal" on the pile at WTC. All
the stories turn out to be second-hand when researched.
There are no eyewitnesses that say they saw evidence of man-made
explosives at WTC. "explosion" is just a good word for "loud noise".
Nobody heard explosions as loud as the 1993 bombing consistent with
the video of the collapse. Thermite takes minutes to operate and
produces voluminous white light, white smoke and slag. Nobody saw
light and smoke prior to the collapse. Nobody found the slag,
afterwords.
Every quote of a NY fireman provided by the "Truth Movement" is a lie,
edited and out of context and without citation. The "Truth Movement"
censors information that contradicts Truthy claims.
Nobody heard explsions of size and timing consistant with any of the
collapses of any of the buildings at WTC. The explosions would have
been larger and louder than the 1993 bomb (about half a ton of TNT,
equiv) which everyone hear and didn't come close to bringing a tower
down.
At the Pentagon, There are hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw the plane
approach the building low and fast. Nobody saw that jet fly over it
and leave. Many of them saw it crash.
In PA, 95%% of the aircraft debris of Flight 93 has been recovered and
all the passengers have identified by DNA.
So much for "truth".
Everyone should get the bittorent for the HBO show about the Truth
Movement for a good laugh.
"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450
Thousands of people at each site, Pentagon, Shanksville, and WTC would
have to be in on the conspiracy for it to not fall apart. There is
masive evidence at each and all of the sites that are consistant with
4 jets causing all the damage on 9/11.
All 4 planes and all 3 crash sites have all of these things in common.
Eyewitnesses for the plane crash and no
eyewitnesses for any consistant alternatinve hypothisis.
DNA [1]
Luggage scraps
Jewelry identification
airplane parts consistant with airplane typose and some having serial numbers.
4 Airplanes that were seen by air control to trun to unplanned routes and turn off transponders
never landed that day and have never been seen again.
People that never came home that day.
Black boxes with consistent serial numbers, most of which had
good data consistant with the standard story
Phone calls from the planes.
Radar tracks and FAA communication with airplanes,
There were hundreds of first responders at the Pentagon, 1700 at
Shanksville. At WTC, a thousand responded on 9/11 adn 3,000 worked on
"the pile".
[1]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6111758.stm FLight 11
Anyone that proposes that the civilian planes, crew and passengers have
somehow been disposed of has just expanded the number of people
involved in the conspiracy by many, many thousands and all of them
would know they were complicit in murder. Twoofers don't have a clue
how many people are involved with aviation operations.
I wonder why the k00ks never give links to full text quotes of the
people that say have joined the Half-Truth Movement?
There is no gag order on earth that could keep 3,00 firemen quiet if
they thought that some crime was the cause of the death of their
friends. Many WTC first-responders have died since, and any could
have made a death-bed statement.
But nobody with relevant expertise can explain why in any way that
makes sense to the millions of of other people that also have relevant
expertise.
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There is a NYC cable TV show called HardFire. The producer tries to
find "Truth Movement" experts. He moderates polite discussions with
someone with relevant expertise. I know that he has invited the
people named, above. All of them have turned down the invitation.
The past shows are online.
http://www.hardfire.net/
Until these people speak in public and defend their claims, I don't
have to believe them and can continue to point out the stupidities in
their assertions until they can satisfy me or people with relevant
expertise. That would be people with civil engineering, demolition, or
aviation or that have a detailed knowledge of the events of 9/11.
They will continue to sell books and DVDs to the ignorant.
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Meet the Creators of "Loose Change"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8
Meet the Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6fe9YlHQwA
Ground Zero 911 Conspiracy Wars by Ray Rivera
http://rayrivera.net
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4162315283354424113
The Ground Zeros by Mark Roberts
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5004042232637229146&hl=en
WTC Ground Zero 9/11/2007 Sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2LeCXXIjo
Les Jamieson and others of
NY911Truth.org disparages the FDNY
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ny911truth.orgmembersdisparagethefdnyatg
How famous Truth Movement people repond to unfortunate truths that
show them for what they are
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt
The Naudet Film about 9/11 at WTC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
Marks's collapse video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2083421624495848233&hl=en
"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450
Anyone that hasn't seen WTC's Ground Zero in NYC and the "Truth
Movement" kooks that hang out there should look at the first three
videos. The others should be required viewing by anyone that has an
opinion about 9/11 and WTC or has never been to NYC.
