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Author: David Von Pein
Date: Jun 8, 2010 06:52

>>> "The bullet which caused the neck wound in Kennedy was fired from the front and never left the body. His back wound and neck wound are separate wounds." <<<

Oh, come now, Bill. That would mean we'd have TWO mysterious
"disappearing" bullets, instead of just Wecht's one vanishing missile
that exited JFK's throat.

TWO bullets going into JFK but not exiting---and then NEITHER bullet
is found or recovered?? That's even more ridiculous than Dr. Cyril
Wecht's theory.

And, in fact, the "2 Vanishing Bullets In JFK" theory is something I
wish Vincent Bugliosi would have mentioned more often in his many 2007
radio interviews, because it would have served his purposes even
better than just highlighting Wecht's theory.

But Vince kept thinking that most conspiracy theorists are like Dr.
Wecht (i.e., believing in just ONE disappearing bullet), when in fact
most CTers are just like you, Bill -- they believe in a theory that's
even more improbable than Wecht's silliness.

http://Bugliosi-Vs-Wecht.blogspot.com
>>> "Why is it silly or improbable? .... Nothing mysterious at all about these two bullets. No one is saying they were NEVER recovered. Hidden? Maybe. All the doctors at Parkland claimed that the throat wound was one of entry." <<<

JFK's entire body was X-rayed at autopsy, and no bullets were found in
his body. The only reasonable conclusion is that the bullet that hit
his upper back exited his throat. And that's exactly what the three
autopsy doctors concluded (at 2 H 364):

ARLEN SPECTER -- "Did you search the body to determine if there was
any bullet inside the body?"

DR. JAMES J. HUMES -- "Before the arrival of Colonel Finck, we had
made X-rays of the head, neck, and torso of the President, and the
upper portions of his major extremities, or both his upper and lower
extremities. At Colonel Finck's suggestion, we then completed the X-
ray examination by X-raying the President's body in toto, and those X-
rays are available."

MR. SPECTER -- "What did those X-rays disclose with respect to the
possible presence of a missile in the President's body?"

DR. HUMES -- "They showed no evidence of a missile in the President's
body at any point. And these were examined by ourselves and by the
radiologist, who assisted us in this endeavor."

MR. SPECTER -- "What conclusion, if any, did you reach as to whether
point "D" on 385 was the point of entrance or exit?"

DR. HUMES -- "We concluded that this missile depicted in 385 "C",
which entered the President's body, traversed the President's body and
made its exit through the wound observed by the physicians at Parkland
Hospital and later extended as a tracheotomy wound."

2 H 364:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0186b.htm

CE385:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0501a.h=
tm

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BTW, the fibers on the front side of JFK's shirt and tie were pointed
OUTWARD, compatible with an exiting bullet, not an entrance wound.

And Dr. Malcolm Perry said that the throat wound could be "either" an
entry or an exit (at 3 H 373):

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/html/WC_Vol3_0191a.htm
>>> "I'd love to read where you read that the fibers were pointed "outward" on Kennedy's clothing." <<<

It's common knowledge, Bill.

Here's a passage concerning the subject from Vincent Bugliosi's JFK
book:

"Not seen by the three pathologists until they testified to the
Warren Commission in 1964, the president's clothing would have
confirmed that the bullet had exited at the throat. In a 1965
memorandum describing his examination of the clothing, Finck
wrote..."immediately below the upper button of the front [of the
president's shirt] is a bullet hole perforating both flaps of the
shirt, right and left. There is dry blood on the margins of both
holes. The innermost hole reveals fibers directed outward, which
indicates an exit perforation. The outermost hole also shows this
outward orientation of the bloody shirt fibers, but to a lesser
extent." [end Finck quote]

"In the FBI's laboratory examination of the hole in the shirt
shortly after the assassination, investigators too found that the
"fibers of the cloth" were "protruding outward," characteristic of an
exit hole for a projectile." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages 400-401 of
"Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F.
Kennedy" (c.2007)

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Bugliosi's sources for the above information are as follows:

AFIP [Armed Forces Institute of Pathology] Record
205-10001-10002, Memorandum, Finck to Blumberg, p.7.

5 H 60=3D9661, WCT Robert A. Frazier; CD 205, p.154; FBI Record
124-10024-10173.

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To expand upon Robert Frazier's Warren Commission testimony regarding
President Kennedy's clothing, we also find this on page 61 of WC
Volume 5:

ROBERT A. FRAZIER -- "In each instance for these holes, the one
through the button line and the one through the buttonhole line, the
hole amounts to a ragged slit approximately one-half inch in height.
It is oriented vertically, and the fibers of the cloth are protruding
outward, that is, have been pushed from the inside out. I could not
actually determine from the characteristics of the hole whether or not
it was caused by a bullet. However, I can say that it was caused by a
projectile of some type which exited from the shirt at that point and
that is again assuming that when I first examined the shirt it had not
been altered from the condition it was in at the time the hole was
made."

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Many conspiracy theorists are more than willing to assume, however,
that Bob Frazier of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was lying his
ass when he said what he said to the Warren Commission above -- or, as
an alternative to advance the notion that the Single-Bullet Theory is
a crock of shit, those same conspiracy theorists are willing to
theorize that the fibers of JFK's shirt were altered by someone before
Mr. Frazier of the FBI examined the shirt, in order to make it look
like a bullet had exited from the President's throat.

But regardless of what the conspiracists want to believe, Robert
Frazier's testimony about the fibers of Kennedy's shirt "protruding
outward" is still going to be in the official record for all time,
right here:

5 H 61:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0036a.htm
>>> "If you watched the video I sent the link on, Connally's attending surgeon basically, and without knowing it, admits that CE 399 was planted on the stretcher that Tomlinson found it on in Parkland. If a surgeon removes a bullet from a patient's thigh, it would be passed on to the authorities as evidence. It could not have ended up underneath a mattress on a random stretcher. At best, we have an extra bullet in the equation which would also prove a conspiracy." <<<

You're right about one thing -- if a bullet had been recovered from
Governor Connally's thigh, it most certainly WOULD have made it into
the hands of the authorities on November 22, 1963. Which is one of the
best reasons we have to know that NO BULLET at all was removed from
Connally's leg at Parkland Hospital.

The only bullet in the official record of this case that can be
connected in any way to the wounding of John Connally is CE399, which
was found on a stretcher by Darrell Tomlinson prior to 2:00 PM CST on
11/22/63 (at a time, btw, when no conspirators who might have been
bent on planting a bullet in the hospital could have possibly known if
JFK or Connally still had bullets in their bodies, making the idea of
planting ANY bullet on ANY stretcher at Parkland simply too foolish to
consider--unless they WANTED their plot to possibly be exposed almost
immediately).

We can be confident that no bullet at all was found inside Governor
Connally's body by any of the doctors or nurses at Parkland Hospital,
and the reason we can be confident of that fact is because one of
Connally's own surgeons, Dr. Charles F. Gregory, told us so (at 4 H
125):

DR. GREGORY -- "We were disconcerted by not finding a missile at all.
Here was our patient with three discernible wounds, and no missile
within him of sufficient magnitude to account for them, and we
suggested that someone ought to search his belongings and other areas
where he had been to see if it could be identified or found, rather."

4 H 125:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh4/html/WC_Vol4_0067a.htm

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Plus: I always like to point out to conspiracy promoters the following
testimony of Darrell C. Tomlinson, the person who found CE399 on the
stretcher at Parkland. In this WC testimony, it couldn't be any
clearer that Tomlinson just simply was not sure which of the two
elevators in question he had taken off of the elevator shortly before
he found a bullet on one of those stretchers.

And Tomlinson emphasizes his uncertainty not just once--he does so
FIVE SEPARATE TIMES during this brief section of his Warren Commission
questioning (which can be found at 6 H 132):

ARLEN SPECTER -- "What did you tell the Secret Service man about which
stretcher you took off of the elevator?"

DARRELL TOMLINSON -- "I told him that I was not sure, and I am not--
I'm not sure of it, but as I said, I would be going against the oath
which I took a while ago, because I am definitely not sure."

MR. SPECTER -- "Do you remember if you told the Secret Service man
which stretcher you thought you took off of the elevator?"

MR. TOMLINSON -- "Well, we talked about taking a stretcher off of the
elevator, but then when it comes down on an oath, I wouldn't say for
sure, I really don't remember." ....

MR. SPECTER -- "You say you can't really take an oath today to be sure
whether it was stretcher A or stretcher B that you took off the
elevator?"

MR. TOMLINSON -- "Well, today or any other day, I'm just not sure of
it, whether it was A or B that I took off."

6 H 132:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_0071b.htm

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The Single-Bullet Theory is as true and logical today as it was in
1963 and 1964. Any other theory that conspiracy believers use to try
and knock the SBT out of contention only makes the SBT look stronger
and stronger as time goes on. Such as the alternate idea that TWO
separate bullets went into JFK's upper back and throat and never
exited....and then both of those bullets went AWOL.

Is that type of alternative theory REALLY supposed to be more
reasonable than the single-bullet conclusion? If so, then we're living
in a crazy, mixed-up world.

Thanks for writing, William.

Regards,
David Von Pein

http://The-JFK-Assassination.blogspot.com

http://Single-Bullet-Theory.blogspot.com
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