Gil : Was It Johnson ?

No it wasn't Johnson !

and AAMOF

it wasn't even Malcolm Wallace either !

" Just to clarify, this was proved to be an erroneous identification.
Wallace is not tied to the "sniper's nest" by fingerprints.
Darby is either deceased or is no longer certified by the IAI ;
the match was incorrect "

Kasey Wertheim
IAI Certified Latent Print Examiner

How embarrassing :-) ..........Heheheheheheheehe !

tl

I guess Gil is going for the all time record of getting ever major
assertion he's stated backasswards , upsidedown or insideout !

These are just a few of the people over the years that have seen to
it :

Bidog
justme
Yo harvey
Chuck Schuyler
DVP
BurlyGuard
Todd W. Vaughan
cd
Ed Cage
The Griz
Ken Rahn
John F.
Spiffy_one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDg1s-ifJSU&feature=related
Just curious ?

Ten Days and still running ! Hahahahahahahaa !

tl

Here are a few of them . They hardly inspire confidence in his ability
as a researcher going back to 1966 ! :

*Gil believes Jack Ruby was such a excellent shot that he could sever
both the
main arteries with a single shot , while shooting low to avoid hitting
one of his cop pals and as Det. Levelle who had hold of LHO waistband
tried pulling him out of harms way ?

*Gil believes Dr. Cyril Wecht has slamsmed the Single Bullet Theory
while Allegheny County Slams Wecht in a 2006 indictment for fraud ?

Also : ( Dr Wecht stated for years that 'Back and to the Left' was
inconsistent with a shot from behind , yet during the Menendez Trial
he stated " Simple Newtonian Psychics is of little use in determining
which way a object will fall when shot by a bullet " )

*Gil believes Dr. Charles Crenshaw's is a credible witness that played
a major role in trying to save JFK's life , yet Crenshaw
"admitted . . .that the role he played in Kennedy's case was minor."
and that Hansen and Shaw "took poetic license" on this issue. See the
Times of May 26, 1992. ?

Clint Hill said he only heard two shots during the DP attack. If we
could figure out when he actually heard those shots, and which one he
overlooked, we would be that much closer to understanding what
happened, and particularly, the shooting pattern.

Fortunately, Hill gave us several critical clues. This is from his
original treasury dept. report, as he described the first of the two
shots he heard:

"On the left hand side was a grass area with a few people scattered
along it observing the motorcade passing, and I was visually scanning
these people when I heard a noise similar to a firecracker..."

Hill gives us two clues here. First, he tells us that he was looking to
his left and scanning a small group in a grassy area when the first of
those two shots was fired.

All we have to do then, is to look at him in the Zfilm and try to
figure out when he turned to his left to scan those people. But here,
we run into a problem. I have looked at him in extreme blowups in the
MPI DVD and cannot see him ever doing such a thing.

There is no longer any doubt that there was a flurry of two or more shots
at the end of the attack on President Kennedy which came much too fast to
have been fired by the Mannlicher Carcano rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald was
alleged to have used.

The evidence which proves this comes from the huge majority of DP
witnesses who stated an opinion about the timing of the shots, the visual
evidence of the films and photos, and from the best scientific evidence.

To get a feel for what the people who actually heard the shots recalled,
you might wish to look through some of these citations.

Although they only discussed it once, throughout their report, the Warren
Commission admitted,

"..a substantial majority of the witnesses stated that the shots were not
evenly spaced. Most witnesses recalled that the second and third shots
were bunched together..." (1)

At one point during the hearings, Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles noted
the overwhelming consistency of these witnesses, when he described the
ratio of those confirming this shooting scenario in comparison with
others,

Keeping in mind that SA George Hickey was seated in the *LEFT* rear seat of the Secret Service car, behind Kennedy, how many of you out there can spot his error?

"At the moment he was almost sitting erect I heard two reports which I thought were shots and that appeared to me completely different in sound than the first report and were in such rapid succession that there seemed to be practically no time element between them. It looked to me as if the President was struck in the right upper rear of his head. The first shot of the second two seemed as if it missed because the hair on the right side of his head flew forward and there didn't seem to be any impact against his head. The last shot seemed to hit his head and cause a noise at the point of impact which made him fall forward and to his left again.."

Ok, if you didn't get it, here is a little clue. Look again at the following statement, "The first shot of the second two seemed as if it missed because the hair on the right side of his head flew forward"

Last clue: when Hickey saw Kennedy's hair fly forward, he certainly wasn't looking at a "miss". But he saw *NO* visible damage from his viewpoint, resulting from the first of those two shots and so believed it didn't strike the President.

Robert Harris

The photograph taken by AP photographer, James Altgens at the
equivalent of Zapruder frame, 255, provides us with an excellent,
objective means to timestamp many critical witness recollections
related to the timing of the shots.

This works because a number of witnesses who are visible in the
photograph, described hearing two gunshots after events that we can
see, had not yet happened when the picture was taken. Here are some
examples.

1. SA Hickey said he was looking to his left when he heard the first of
three shots. He said he then turned to his right, partially stood up,
and looked directly to the rear. He taid he then turned back to the
front, just in time to hear two shots, one of them striking the
President.

But at Z255, we can see that Hickey is still turned, fully facing the
rear. He is yet to turn to look at the President and is yet to hear
those two shots.

2. SA Warren Taylor said he heard one shot, and shortly afterward,
stepped out of the car. He said just as his foot hit the pavement , he
heard two more shots.

This is the FBI report on Charles Brehm's interview, taken on 11/24/63.
The report makes it very clear that Brehm did not notice any early
gunshots, only recalling a total of three. He heard the first of those,
as the limo pulled directly in front of him; the third came just after
the explosive head wound.

Of course, we can see Brehm in the Zapruder film at Z285, just as the
limo did indeed, pull directly in front of him.

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Charles F. Brehm, 1619 Kings Highway, was interviewed at his
residence at which time he furnished the following information:

He and his five-year-old son went to downtown Dallas to view the
President's motorcade, and they parked their car in the
Main-Houston Street area about 15 minutes before the motorcade was
due to come down Main Street. He took a vantage point on the
northwest corner of the intersection of Main and Houston Streets
and from that point, he was able to watch the car in which the
President and Mrs. KENNEDY rode, making a right turn from Main
Street into Houston Street.

One of the earliest charges made by conspiracy buffs was the claim that Bill Greer, the President's driver deliberately slowed the limo down in order to make him an easy target. The truth is that he most certainly did hit the brake, just before Zapruder frame 300, but he did so in a state of total panic, just a fraction of a second after being thoroughly startled by the sharp crack of the shock wave at Z285. To understand this, let's go back a few frames. Like Mrs. Connally and Kellerman, Greer responded to the first audible shot by turning to look to the rear. It is difficult to see exactly when this turn was made, though my impression is that it happened just after Z260. But there is no doubt at all that he is looking backward, no later than Z280.

Greer testified that he didn't turn far enough to see the President, but he recalled seeing Governor Connally falling back toward Mrs. Connally. Of course, this matches perfectly with his first turn to the rear. But suddenly, beginning at about Z291-292, he begins an abrupt and extremely rapid counterclockwise movement back toward the front. As Dr. Alvarez and other researchers have determined, by analyzing the speed of the limousine from frame to frame, the limo begins a substantial slowdown at exactly, Z300. This tells us that after Greer turned back to the front, he panicked and hit the brake, although he doesn't hold it down long enough to bring the heavy limousine to a full stop.

It is also terribly significant that Greer began his panic turn, within a sixth of a second of three other limo passengers' clear reactions. They were Mrs. Connally, Mrs. Kennedy, and SA Roy Kellerman. His turn also began within the same sixth of a second in which Abraham Zapruder blurred the first in a series of three frames, in precise 1/3 second increments, exactly as we see in the frames following the known shot at Z312.

Like almost everyone else who heard the shots, Greer confirmed that the shooting sequence ended with a flurry of closely spaced reports. This is from his Warren Commission testimony:

Mr. SPECTER. Do you have an independent recollection at this moment of having heard three shots at that time

Mr. GREER. I knew that after I heard the second one, that is when I looked over my shoulder, and I was conscious that there was something wrong, because that is when I saw Governor Connally. And when I turned around again, to the best of my recollection there was another one, right immediately after.

Mr. SPECTER. To the best of your ability to recollect and estimate, how much time elapsed from the first noise which you have described as being similar to the backfire of a motor vehicle until you heard the second noise?

Mr. GREER. It seems a matter of seconds, I really couldn't say. Three or four seconds.

Mr. SPECTER. How much time elapsed, to the best of your ability to estimate and recollect, between the time of the second noise and the time of the third noise?

Mr. GREER. The last two seemed to be just simultaneously, one behind the other..

It is apparent that the shot at frame Z285 startled Greer, causing him to spin around to the front in a panic. Interestingly, some critics have claimed that his turn at that point was so rapid that it was humanly impossible and therefore evidence that the film was edited or tampered with. In early 1997 I ran some simple tests in which I had someone film me as I turned rapidly in a chair, similar to Greer. The test proved quite conclusively that his turn was not at all impossible, but it most certainly was fast. The turns I made that matched his performance quite frankly, left me a little bit dizzy. Greer further confirmed the cause of his panic in this part of his testimony,

Mr. GREER. The second one didn't sound any different much than the first one but I kind of got, by turning around, I don't know whether I got a little concussion of it, maybe when it hit something or not, I may have gotten a little concussion that made me think there was something different to it.

This is an important part of Greer's recollections. First, he confirms that he was turned around when he heard this second shot. Since we know he turned to the rear no earlier than Z260, he fully corroborates the recollections of Mrs. Kennedy, Mrs. Connally, and SA Kellerman, as well as most other witnesses who placed the final shots at the very end of the attack. His statement makes even more sense when we consider his seemingly strange claim that he felt the "concussion" of this shot. The shock wave of a supersonic bullet carries with it, a small but noticeable amount of force, enough in some cases, to blow out a candle and certainly enough to cause a distinct tingling sensation on the skin of anyone who is exposed in close proximity to it.

We can easily see that at Z285, Greer was facing the rear, so a supersonic bullet from that direction, and especially one that missed would generate a shock wave that would certainly have been felt on his face. This was the "concussion" he reported. The slight sting of such a force, combined with it's ear-shattering noise would certainly be more than enough to provoke the panic reaction we see in the film.

It has been suggested that Greer might have simply gotten confused and was thinking of the explosive Z312-313 shot when he described feeling it's "concussion". But he seems to have eliminated that possibility when he described his uncertainty about, "when it hit something or not". Certainly, after the terrible explosion at Z313 he would have had no doubts at all about whether that bullet had found a target. But as it turned out, the Z285 bullet missed the President and found another victim more than 200 feet away.

Bob Harris