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Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: John
Date: Dec 31, 2007 08:26

I have a project in Nero that I've been trying to burn onto a Dual
Layer DVD+R disc. So far unfortunately without success (4 new beer
mats!).

I have encoded the project and I am just burning the Video_TS and
Audio_TS using the burning Rom.

So far though upon playback I always seem to have one or two titles
that have errors. It might say unexpected DVD error, unable to read
part of dvd playback might be effected etc and then it stops the video
playing. Have tested on my computers DVD drive as well as regular DVD
player so have ruled out hardware being the problem.
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: :Jerry:
Date: Dec 31, 2007 12:59

"John" weTrust.com> wrote in message
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>
> It seems really strange this, so I am thinking that either it is
> just
> bad DL media that I am using or maybe Nero has an error when it is
> encoding or burning the DVD? Surely though if it is bad DL media I
> wouldn't have 4 coasters in a row? The chances of that are quite
> slim,
> you would have at least got one good burn out of four usually even
> with a bad bunch of media you have half okay half bad.
>

Hmm, it's unlikely that you have a whole batch of bad disks but what
it could be is that the media is incompatible with the burner,
although rare these days it can still occur, I would certainly try
different media.

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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: G Hardy
Date: Dec 31, 2007 18:04

> It's been a real pain this because it takes just over 7 hours for Nero
> Vision Express to encode all the files, then it takes just over 40
> minutes to burn onto a blank DL DVD+R disc.

Can't NVE burn to a VIDEO_TS folder on the hard drive? Then all you need to
do is watch it in Showtime to make sure the files are OK and burn with Nero
Express. If you make a coaster (for whatever reason) you don't have to go
through the encoding process again.
> My project contains quite a lot of slides shows with background music
> and 4 DV video files from MiniDV camcorder. Two of the video files are
> just three minutes long, one is about 30 minutes long and the other is
> 1 hour and 20 minutes in length.

You might find that the video is being encoded at the maximum bitrate, which
is a problem for a lot of DVD players with DVDR media. For DV sourced
material, you won't see a benefit with the video bitrate higher than
6500kbps. If you have the time to wait for two-pass VBR, you can set the
average from 4500 to 6500kbps and it will still be impossible to see any
difference from the source material.
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: Keith
Date: Dec 31, 2007 18:10

John wrote:
> I have a project in Nero that I've been trying to burn onto a Dual
> Layer DVD+R disc. So far unfortunately without success (4 new beer
> mats!).
>
> I have encoded the project and I am just burning the Video_TS and
> Audio_TS using the burning Rom.
>
Bad Nero.... Bad Bad Naughty Nero... ;-)

John, I use lots of different tools. One of them is ImgBurn. You can
get it at http://www.videohelp.com. Use "Build" mode, point it to the
VIDEO_TS folder and select "Device" to burn a disc. Works...
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: Keith
Date: Dec 31, 2007 18:21

G Hardy wrote:
>> ...I am thinking perhaps having less
>> individual elements making this whole project up will mean less parts
>> of it can go wrong?
>
> If that's an option, you might find better compatibility with
> single-layer DVDR than dual. The price-per-gigabyte of dual has never
> come down as low as single, so all my chargeable work has been sent
> out on SL discs. I've never had a return - ever. (Well, not because of
> compatibility problems anyway.) If the average bitrate needs to drop
> below 3000kbps in order to fit onto SL disc, I just span the content
> across two discs.
I agree... And I just thought of something else... I use DVD Shrink to
avoid the high cost of dual-layer disks. Just point it to your VIDEO_TS
folder, it'll shrink it, make an ".ISO" file, and use...
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: G Hardy
Date: Dec 31, 2007 21:52

> I agree... And I just thought of something else... I use DVD Shrink to
> avoid the high cost of dual-layer disks....

The OP can use Nero Recode - he can recode direct from the DVD disc to a
directory on the hard drive - in fact if he does that, and the problems
"disappear", the issue is either the bitrate or the compatibility of the DVD
media he's using.
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: G Hardy
Date: Jan 2, 2008 15:37

> 5073 kbits/s is the setting for standard play in NVE. Would you
> recommend changing that up or down? I could probably increase it about
> 200 or 300 kbits/s higher if I select the custom setting but anymore
> than that and my project would not fit on a DL disc.

If your project was 5500 kbits (say) then the project would need to be 3h
26m for it to fill a DL disc.

I thought from your OPs it was more of the order of 2h with a couple of
slideshows set to music? Something's not adding up, here...
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: John
Date: Jan 3, 2008 04:10

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:37:15 GMT, "G Hardy"
ntlwrold.com> wrote:
>> 5073 kbits/s is the setting for standard play in NVE. Would you
>> recommend changing that up or down? I could probably increase it about
>> 200 or 300 kbits/s higher if I select the custom setting but anymore
>> than that and my project would not fit on a DL disc.
>
>If your project was 5500 kbits (say) then the project would need to be 3h
>26m for it to fill a DL disc.
>
>I thought from your OPs it was more of the order of 2h with a couple of
>slideshows set to music? Something's not adding up, here...

Hi, it is just over 3 hours in length.

I have three video files. The first video file is just over 3 minutes
in length. This is added to the project twice near the beginning. So
that's about 6 mins 30 secs.

The second video file is 34 minutes long and the third video file is 1
hour 29 minutes long. Then I have opening credits 3 minutes long and
closing credits about 4 minutes long.
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: G Hardy
Date: Jan 3, 2008 11:26

"John" wetrust.com> wrote in message
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>>I thought from your OPs it was more of the order of 2h with a couple of
>>slideshows set to music? Something's not adding up, here...
>
> Hi, it is just over 3 hours in length.
>
> I have three video...
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Re: Bad media, bad files or bad Nero?         


Author: :Jerry:
Date: Jan 3, 2008 13:50

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"G Hardy" ntlwrold.com> wrote in message
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>
> As yet, I haven't seen anything to convince me that it's bad media.
> I'm not saying that's not the problem, just that it could be a
> player issue. If it is bad media, I _do_ think it's likely to be a
> whole batch (the only time I've had problems it's been with every
> disc in a tub. Started a new tub after a dozen or so failures -
> problem went away). Have you tried Jerry's suggestion of different
> media?

I would also add (or should I say repeat), that there could be an
incompatibility between media and burner, I've had this once - my then
burner kept kicking out floaters, used a different make (dye) and all
was well, I have since changed the burner and used the old media
without problem in this new burner - go figure...

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