At 12 Nov 2007 10:54:56 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> The computer industry silly. Basically what is happening is the
Computer
> Industry (Apple) which is much more well funded and competitive, has
now
> entered the Cell Industry which is floundering, poorly funded and lacks
> any design or competitive spirit.
Um, ok. So essentially, you, who admitted to never owning a cellular
phone before the iPhone, and who demonstrates no knowledge of the
wireless industry, claims to know what's "wrong" with it?
> The N series is an embarrassment to
> the User.
Harsh worrds from a guy who didn't know what one was la t night...
> It's poorly made, bulky, HORRIBLE interface, expensive still
> requires old school Cell Networks, etc.
Again, the N800 isn't a phone, and doesn't directly connect to "old
school" cell networks. It's a web tablet.
> Apple can solve all that for the
> User.
Really? When will they release a product that does?
> Well, let's just imagine for a moment that "every" internet connection
> people pay for is suddenly "wireless", then allowing the extra 25x
nodes
> that are sitting idle to be "Free". Security is mainly a Windows issue,
> not a UNIX one, so for Apple to release a $49 255 node router... that
> people simply attach to their network and boom, you have the end of the
> Cell Industry.
Unless you ever leave residential areas. Many times I've flipped the wi-
fi on my phone on to find ZERO APs available- secure or unsecure.
> Free VoIP would be the norm, not the costly Cell
> Monopoly.
"Costly cell monopoly?" VoIP runs about 2-cents/min (unless you're
content to call only people on your VoIP network.) and requires internet
access ("sold separately") whereas cellular runs about 4 or 5-cents a
minute and includes all necessary infrastructure.
> People would switch over in droves since $49 is less than most
> people's 1 month BILL!
Plus the cost of your VoIP provider's charges to connect to the PSTN,
(again, unless you only want to talk to fellow iChatters, and not "real"
phones, businesses, Skypers, Gizmoers, etc.) AND have the spottiest
"mobile" service ever.
> I'm realistic and don't think this will happen overnight, but it is the
> trend and will be the STANDARD within 10-20 years for the simple reason
> that all this Internet connectivity sits idle MOST of the day/night and
> really doesn't need to. Apple will change this in a major way, just sit
> back and watch.
Again, WiFi is too short range. Come out to Denver and Visit Rocky
Mountain National Park. Half of the cell providers don't even work
there, and the nearest open access point is 20 miles away.
> You just don't know how to do it... On the Mac you just use Leopard
> which automatically shows the open networks or use something like
> Coconut WiFi or FindWiFi to easily connect wherever you are to an open
> and free network.
You can't find an open AP if there aren't any! "Coconut" doesn't
automatically open a closed AP. But you know that.
> Yes, I understand you are still using Windows, but Mac users are far
> ahead of you on this...
> You'll see what I'm talking about fairly soon.
>
> Remember that Apple and Lucent started the whole 802.11 trend way back
> in 2001, so they set the rules, not the old world Cell companies.
All brought about by the same SJ who threw a floppy disk at a reporter
and screamed "there's your f---ing network!"?
>> Today the vast majority of business and residential APs are closed.
>
> But look at the FON example, it is FREE to all FON users... So if Apple
> did the same, all Apple connections would be free to Apple and Windows
> users. Pretty sweet.
As long as I never leave residential areas, yes. Equally conveniently, I
could just carry a $5 landline phone and plug into my neighbors' network
interfaces and make free local calls "borrowing" their POTS providers'
service instead of their ISPs'.
>> So is wired Ethernet, but carrying that 100' Cat5 cable around is
such a
>> pain. What's your point?
>
> It is that the range of 802.11 is reaching further, faster than Cell
> Towers can be built. SJ knows that, and since timing is everything his
> interview of the FON founder is VERY telling of the shape of things to
> come.
>
>
http://www.seesmic.com/Standalone.html?video=c7BW1pm3l8
Yep- he'll probably buy the company, stamp a half-eaten fruit on their La
Fonera routers and sell them for $99 instead of $49 and rename the FON
'network' "The Orchard."
> Yes, but you have to PAY for that... Nobody would need to pay for free
> wireless.
Ah, yes, the question you never answer: who pays the ISP for the
connection we are all sharing with everyone else? Time Warner cable
hasn't partnered with FON so they can be put out of business! The shared
access has to come from somewhere.
> Ah, it's called "communal" look up that word and you'll see the future.
>
> It's exactly how Radio and TV works today... THINK about it.
Yes- giant congloms making a profit from selling advertising on licensed
bandwidth- not communal sharing of the VHF and UHF bands. THINK about it!
> Well, and you demonstrate only the existing market, Apple users look
> beyond that,
Future markets are Created with future technology. Not hoping the rest
of the world akwardly tries to adapt five year old technology into
replacing a system that already works.
> and create the future, while you just live in the "present".
I've been using wireless services for decades, and mobile internet back
when you had to jack analog models into analog cellphones and hope for a
4800 or 7200bps connection. I saw the "future" then, and kept up with
technology as it improves.
> We don't care about the PRESENT since it won't matter going forward.
Agreed. We'll all ditch our current technology with We
> create the structure of the future and have done these large societal
> changes many times before. We are experts, you are not.
>
>>> nah, open 802.11 is everywhere in europe and BT will be opening
>> 10,000's
>>> of free hotspots so coverage will be ubiquitous in less than a
decade.
>>
>> More backpeddling? Your time table for cellular's demise keeps
getting
>> pushed furher into the future. IIRC, it was about 18 months when the
>> iPhone launched, then a couple of years, now over a decade?
>>
>> Existing industries adapt to changing market conditions. If the
future
>> truly is VoIP, then cellular carriers will adapt by becoming "VWANs"
>> (Very Wide Area Networks) and offer the necessary internet access, as
>> Sprint seems to be attempting with WiMax.
>
> Yes, VWAN's are possible IF you want to be locked into a Cell companies
> poor view of the future.
>
> WWAN's is Apple speak, and it is free.
>
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