At 06 Sep 2007 17:51:15 -0600 Oxford wrote:
> I have a powerbook, so carrying around a phone was kinda pointless.
Right. Because they're almosthe same size.
> because i take shots from various client locations, my garage, out
in
> the yard, i don't have to worry about getting my camera now... even
> though the shots aren't as good without the flash in many cases.
Again, any countless number of phones can take equally mediocre
pictures. You still haven't explained why you sacrificed all of that
productivity in the years B.I. (Before Iphone.)
> well, it's new in that it's the first time it's been "easy". all
the
> other smart phones were dreadful!
I think if you were in my position you'd say something like "Since
you don't own a Symbian/Blackberry/WinMo phone, or used one on a
regular basis, you aren't qualified to say how 'difficult' they are
to use."
> i sold someone's blackberry 8800(?)
> one ebay a few weeks ago. god the thing was HORRIBLE, you had to
use all
> kinds of buttons to move around, the interface was poorly designed,
how
> can anyone put up with that sort of crap.
It's called a learning curve. I've heard similar complaints about the
iPhone's soft keyboard, yet most seem to like it after a couple of
days. Again: learning curve. My wife carries a Blackberry for work.
She hated it for about a week, now she likes it and can work it in
her sleep. Like your multi-touch gestures, it just took getting used
to.
> todd you haven't used an iphone day to day, you admit that, so not
sure
> why you are talking smack about the easiest / smartest phone in the
> world to use.
First, I'm not "talking smack"- my issues with it, as I've explained
to you ad nauseum, are it's missing features, and the inability to
add them. Do you think if I used it non-stop for a week, my
bluetooth GPS module would start workng with it? After a month,
could I stick my digital camera's SD card in it and e-mail vacation
pictures of my kids to Grandma without waiting until I flew home to
"sync" my camera to my PC?
>> If having mobile e-mail and Google Maps has made you "$200 in
>> productivity" in two months, what's your excuse for not being
>> productive with a Treo or Blackberry up until June 29th?
>
> because google maps SUCKS on any other phone.
Google Maps sucks period. There are much better mapping solutions
out there, many of which do not require a network connection. Try
Google Mapping your way to the nearest Shakey's Pizza in Podunk, Iowa
when you're out of AT&T's service area.
> with the iphone, i can
> just move my fingers around, i don't have to type in crap or look
> through a low res screen. it's all in bright detail, no other phone
has
> this "yet".
Again, 640x240 screens exist. I personally don't use one, since the
cost isn't commesurate with the advantage (to me) but stop pretending
you've got the highest res screen available on a phone- you don't.
Again, you demonstrate a basic ignorance of the competitive
marketplace. If SJ doesn't mention it, you aren't aware of it. You
"know" the iPhone is the best phone in existance because he stood on
astage in January and told you in a Quicktime stream that it would be.
> yes, and I'll agree with that point. the fact is the iphone has
been
> rumored for YEARS. i even had a phone connected to my 128K mac, and
have
> used various phone systems on the Mac for 23 years, but for apple
to
> actually MAKE a phone, that's world changing and worth waiting a
few
> years for it to come out.
No, like with Kurt, it'd be worth dumping your current solution for
when it came out. To eschew using other cellphones for years in
anticipation of an eventual Apple product is like refusing to drive a
car until Apple builds one. You were less productive sitting on your
hands until an iPhone existed.
> well, they were the first to make music easy to navigate,
What's easier than speaking the words "Play 'Rubber Soul'"? I can
say that faster than you can flick to it! Pre iPod, I had very
little difficulty selecting an audiobook or album on my Rio's 4-line
LCD display, or even selecting one of the 30 or so songs on the
"giant" 128MB CF card in my Casiopeia E-105 back in 2000.
> first to make
> a workable online store,
Yes. I'm happy to give credit where credit's due.
> first to make an app for the machine that
> managed all the songs, then first to make syncing work, but yes,
other
> than that, no big deal (smirk)
Windows Media Player does all of those things, albeit less efficiently,
and has fdone it as far back as I've used digital music. Frankly, I
loathe both it and iTunes and prefer to load both my iPod Nano and my
phone by dragging folders to their virtual drive letters and letting
the devices sort it all out.
>> "Google
>> Maps, e-mail and a camera!" so far you've listed half the feature
set
>> of any $49 RAZR!
>
> ah, but no where near the quality. i can go buy a 25 cent "diamond"
ring
> in a gum machine... and you would think it's the same as flying a
> chartered jet to new york, having a private showing at tiffany's
with
> your girlfriend. is that how you roll? price always trumps quality?
is
> that it?
No, features trump flash- that's how I roll. The GPS issue alone
rules out the iPhone for me. It's the proverbial "deal breaker."
"Ease of use" is NOT the be-all end-all. Inability to save e-mail
attachments, inability to edit Excel spreadsheets, lack of a Remote
Access client- all of these negatives (to me) outweigh a pretty screen,
an excellent mobile browser, and flicking through my albums. Again,
that's for ME. I'll never say it isn't the right phone for you, or
Kurt, or Mike (Tinman), or Mitch. Frankly of the bunch, only Tinman
has even got me thinking about buying an iPhone. I'll see how the
hacking scene develops and see if the shortcomings can be overcome.
>> As I've said before, YOU'VE obviously never used any high-end
phone
>> BESIDES an iPhone, or you'd be telling us HOW it's better, rather
>> than spewing crap like "all phones will work like this in 17
years"
>> or "Nokia's going out of business" or "obviously you don't own one
>> yet."
>
> wrong, i've used the Treo, complete crap, the Blackberry total
crap, and
> something that had a Symbian interface, wow, how can people stay in
> business with such disregard for the user.
Again, you obviously haven't used any of them longer than I've used
an iPhone.
> I used a powerbook before that, a $1,499 cell phone if you will. I
> didn't have a cell phone before since they just didn't match up to
my
> needs.
Fine- it was your "lost productivity", not mine.
> No, i follow all that stuff, i just don't want to put up with the
> hassles of having different companies involved. I want a full
solution.
> Kinda like I ONLY have sony tv's, stereos, land line phones, etc.
it
> just make life easier.
Boy, Madison Avenue has you right where they want you! Do you really
think the guys in Sony's land-line phone division have even met
anyone in the TV division? How coud staying within brand on such
disparate products be "easier" or more difficult? I get the
TV/Stereo thing- interoperability between remote controls, etc, but
does your alarm clock really need to match the Electric Toothbrush?
>> Like you with the iPhone, anyone unaware with what the competition
>> offers will accept the "Apple solved the problem" speech. And
they
>> did. They just solved the same problem problem others before them
>> already did!
>
> No, everyone within the Apple community knows there are other "half
> attempts" going on all the time, but Apple is practically the only
other
> company that takes "development" and ease of use to the full extreme.
Ease of use is a laudable goal until it stifles development or
usability. I suspect lack of 3rd party support and lack of
removeable storage were part of the "ease of use" umbrella. ("If
they can't install anything on it, they can't screw it up!")
It's MY device once I buy it. Don't tell me I can't put any ringtone
I want on it because it might offend the record companies my device
manufacturer is beholden to. (Yes, I saw the keynote- sweet of Apple
to let to make your own ringtones for $1.98 out of their preselected
list of 500,000 songs. Do you get to make your own Voicemail
message, or do you have to buy those from iTunes as well?) ;-)
> Can you think of any other? Sony did it for quite awhile, but lost
its
> way about 10ish years ago. Nobody on the PC side does it, maybe
somebody
> like Miele does it with washers and dryers / vacuum cleaners, and
such.
> But really, who else does it?
I guess it depends on your POV. I believe in the free market. Any
truly superior product wipes out it competitors. Apple has been
building computers for three decades and they don't hold a dominant
position. Therefore, they aren't clearly superior in all ways, or
they'd have wiped out all competitors, QED. They are a niche player,
which means they can cater to an eclectic clientele without having to
be all things to all people. That's a strength, not a weakness- it
makes them less susceptible to competition. They hit a home run with
the iPod. Honestly, it was Apple's first product with mass appeal,
and it probably surprised even them.
> i had my powerbook during all that time and that was overkill
> compared to the smartphones of the time for sure, but it worked well.
Sure, if you liked wearing a backpack everywhere you went... Ahead
of the curve, huh? Fifty pocketable devices available to enhance
productivity when mobile, and you were lugging a notebook around like
the last caveman still eating raw meat because he thought fire didn't
"suit his needs."
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
