On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:01:59 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:44:00 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:10:17 -0700, gudloos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Sep., 18:44, never@million wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:33:38 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:27:55 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> Five Pro-Abortion Dodges - Part I
>>>>>> Bilbo, you seem willing to remain 20,000 leagues under the sea of
>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion issues remain just under the radar but still play a big
>>>>>> part in political decision making. Are you willing to let women
>>>>>> make their own decisions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DCI
>>>>> Since he is pro-choice, the answer to the above is obvious - one
>>>>> would think.
>>>> Not so much "pro-choice" per se as quite libertarian (small "l") in
>>>> the matter. Control over ones own body is rather the first right. If
>>>> the state can override your control of yourself, we're getting into
>>>> dangerous territory.
>>>>
>>>> Further, I no longer really care if people call that clump of cells a
>>>> "human life" or not. I have a serious problem with the idea that any
>>>> being has any "right" to actually, physically occupy the body of
>>>> another.
>>> This comparison of pregnancy to other forms of lack of control of
>>> one's body - involuntary organ donation, for example - is repugnant
>>> and absurd.
>>
>> So you say.
>
> Very snappy.
>
>
>>> The woman exercised FULL control over her body when she chose to fuck.
>>
>> In short, this is about punishing "bad girls".
>
> No, not at all.
Oh yes it is. You exposed yourself.
> It's about delimiting what is permissible to do when
> you want to escape some consequence for your actions that you find
> unpleasant.
Unpleasant my ass. Pregnancy is an enormous drain on a woman's body,
sometimes fatal (though less so in developed countries, yes), and can
result in economic hardship to her and her family.
Control over reproduction is a hallmark of the First World. If you want
to live in a Third World slum, please move instead of trying to create
one here.
> If you blow your paycheck gambling, it is not
> permitted for you to knock over a liquor store in order to pay the rent.
> You get the idea.
Interesting scenario you propose. You're saying that forcible taking of
resources is unacceptable behavior. If a fetus is a "person", then it
would be wrong for the fetus to take resources from the woman without her
consent. Hence, she'd have the right to evict.
>>> It isn't control of one's body that's the issue. It's an
>>> unwillingness to face the natural consequences of one's actions in
>>> having exercised that control.
>>
>> So you're saying the men should get pregnant too?
>
> non sequitur
You wish.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
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ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
