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Author: KittyPKittyP Date: Feb 17, 2008 07:14
"Wilson" nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:pUXtj.5780$N95.1218@trnddc03...> Giggles Like a Girl wrote:
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>> My buddy teaches at a college near here. I criticised the
>> use of the term and the tactic "lockdown" for things like
>> gunmen being spotted or active on campus. (I think it is
>> a bankrupt idea, a prison-term that is offensive in the
>> context of a school...) He defended the idea, to my frank
>> astonishment. "Yes, lock the kiddies down in groups so
>> they are easier to shoot" I said. His instinct is to
>> control. It is authoritarian and has nothing to do with
>> safety, IMO. "Lockdown" is a term that gives parents
>> comfort just because it sounds like it's tough and
>> absolute. (it does have the same ring as "zero tolerance",
>> doesn't it?)
>>
>> So just last week this same college went into "lockdown"
>> because someone spotted someone carrying a rifle in the
>> woods. As it turns out, it was a tripod for a camera, ...
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Author: pseudomodopseudomodo Date: Feb 17, 2008 08:37
On Feb 17, 9:14 am, "KittyP" hotmail.com> wrote:> "Wilson" nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>>> Giggles Like a Girl wrote:
>
>>> My buddy teaches at a college near here. I criticised the
>>> use of the term and the tactic "lockdown" for things like
>>> gunmen being spotted or active on campus. (I think it is
>>> a bankrupt idea, a prison-term that is offensive in the
>>> context of a school...) He defended the idea, to my frank
>>> astonishment. "Yes, lock the kiddies down in groups so
>>> they are easier to shoot" I said. His instinct is to
>>> control. It is authoritarian and has nothing to do with
>>> safety, IMO. "Lockdown" is a term that gives parents
>>> comfort just because it sounds like it's tough and
>>> absolute. (it does have the same ring as "zero tolerance", ...
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Author: pseudomodopseudomodo Date: Feb 17, 2008 08:37
On Feb 17, 8:54 am, "Wilson" nowhere.net> wrote:> Giggles Like a Girl wrote:
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>> My buddy teaches at a college near here. I criticised the
>> use of the term and the tactic "lockdown" for things like
>> gunmen being spotted or active on campus. (I think it is
>> a bankrupt idea, a prison-term that is offensive in the
>> context of a school...) He defended the idea, to my frank
>> astonishment. "Yes, lock the kiddies down in groups so
>> they are easier to shoot" I said. His instinct is to
>> control. It is authoritarian and has nothing to do with
>> safety, IMO. "Lockdown" is a term that gives parents
>> comfort just because it sounds like it's tough and
>> absolute. (it does have the same ring as "zero tolerance",
>> doesn't it?)
>> So just last week this same college went into "lockdown"
>> because someone spotted someone carrying a rifle in the
>> woods. As it turns out, it was a tripod for a camera,
>> and not even being...
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Author: Wally ChapmanWally Chapman Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:03
KittyP wrote:
> In the news last night a 20-something year old Oregon community college
> student in criminal justice was taken into custody and sent for mental
> evaluation (usually a three day ordeal) because he posted a rant that
> included advocating violence in his My Space.
>
> http://www.katu.com/news/15687037.html
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> The news folks on one station interviewed several of his friends who were
> blown away (so to speak), because the guy was always smiling (unlike the mug
> shot), wasn't a violent fellow in any way, and was just blowing off steam
> (not unlike a few of us do occasionally in absfg).
>
> It made me afraid of every cannibal jokes I've made in the past. But truly,
> if the police can pick up someone for one rant on a blog and call it 'the
> right thing' - who is...
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Author: Wally ChapmanWally Chapman Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:09
Wilson wrote:
> The thing that control advocates haven't been able to explain
> is how areas in the US with less restrictive gun control
> generally have lower violent crime rates while areas with the
> most restrictive control measures have some of the highest
> rates. This is opposite of what advocates of the nanny state
> tell us should be true.
"An armed society is a polite society." - Robert Heinlien
Here in Ohio, the violent crime rate has dropped since the enactment of
the concealed carry law a couple years ago. The places in Ohio with the
most crime - Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati - are the places which
continuously try to enact local ordinances that restrict this law.
Wally
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Author: pseudomodopseudomodo Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:22
On Feb 17, 8:11 am, "KittyP" hotmail.com> wrote:
> You're on to some excellent points. Especially the epidemic of obsession
> with risk.
It's Yuppification ... it's invasive, it's busy-body, it's driving
regular people up the freakin' wall. And I suspect it's part of what's
driving some people into riskier and riskier behaviors as a means of
catharsis b/c their lives are becoming more and more regimented....
No smoking while simultaneously publicly enjoying an alcoholic
beverage.
No smoking in a car (not even a convertible) w/ kids present.
No facing an infant in an infant car seat in the wrong direction
(isn't it enough just to have the carseat?).
No building a new residence "off the grid" (we're green alright ...
and if I wanna build a off-grid residence waaaaay back from the road I
still have to run a utility line to it?)
No "taking your time" working on your car in your front yard (60 days
or less -- what's at risk here is the pursuit of better real estate
prices & the furtherment of urban development ... )
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Author: pseudomodopseudomodo Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:24
On Feb 17, 12:37 am, not.a.spam.d...@now.go.away (Giggles Like a Girl)
wrote:
> There is also an issue of creeping
> authoritarianism and to my mind an epidemic of
> obsession with risk. It is not okay in my mind to have
> extreme responses like lockdowns and arrests and bombing
> of foreign countries based on the desire to be free of
> every possible fear while at the same time indulging
> every possible fear as entertainment.
"bombing of foreign countries?"
That's a broad statement. I wonder where you'd take *that* one....
/leebert
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Author: Wally ChapmanWally Chapman Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:25
KittyP wrote:
> "Wilson" nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:pUXtj.5780$N95.1218@trnddc03...>> Giggles Like a Girl wrote:
>>> My buddy teaches at a college near here. I criticised the
>>> use of the term and the tactic "lockdown" for things like
>>> gunmen being spotted or active on campus. (I think it is
>>> a bankrupt idea, a prison-term that is offensive in the
>>> context of a school...) He defended the idea, to my frank
>>> astonishment. "Yes, lock the kiddies down in groups so
>>> they are easier to shoot" I said. His instinct is to
>>> control. It is authoritarian and has nothing to do with
>>> safety, IMO. "Lockdown" is a term that gives parents
>>> comfort just because it sounds like it's tough and
>>> absolute. (it does have the same ring as "zero tolerance",
>>> doesn't it?)
>>>
>>> So just last week this same college went into "lockdown"
>>> because someone spotted someone carrying a rifle in the
>>> woods. As it turns out, it was a tripod for a camera, ...
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Author: Don ShepherdDon Shepherd Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:27
Wilson wrote:
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> The thing that control advocates haven't been able to explain
> is how areas in the US with less restrictive gun control
> generally have lower violent crime rates while areas with the
> most restrictive control measures have some of the highest
> rates. This is opposite of what advocates of the nanny state
> tell us should be true.
>
Which is the cause and which is the effect? Is it not possible that
people in high crime areas choose restrictive gun control because they
are in a high crime area?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Law
"Statistics showed that gun murders in New York had risen 50 percent
from 1910-1911; indeed, in 1910, mayor William Jay Gaynor was shot and
seriously wounded (he later died from the wound; see Timeline of New
York City crimes and disasters), and there were public calls for
regulation of handguns."
There, I was able to explain that.
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Author: pseudomodopseudomodo Date: Feb 17, 2008 09:33
On Feb 17, 12:37 am, not.a.spam.d...@now.go.away (Giggles Like a Girl)
wrote:
> There is also an issue of creeping
> authoritarianism and to my mind an epidemic of
> obsession with risk. It is not okay in my mind to have
> extreme responses like lockdowns and arrests and bombing
> of foreign countries based on the desire to be free of
> every possible fear while at the same time indulging
> every possible fear as entertainment.
I agree with your point otherwise, however.
I suspect sensationalism is meant to drive anxiety, to keep people
interested in a world riven with "problems" that need "solutions." I
think it's really a new "War on.... X" concept that the elite are
managing, a "War on Self-Sufficiency and General Contentment."
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