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There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Chas Gill
Date: Mar 31, 2008 14:32

It just occurred to me that most contributors here are those that largely
support bands (even the church jobs). I don't recall ever seeing a
contribution from theatre engineers (i.e. those that support musical theatre
and the like on long residential runs). It seems to me that this requires a
wholly different approach (but I may be wrong). For a start, running a
whole bundle of radio lavs presents it's own set of problems and I have to
say that most (but not all by far) of the live productions I have seen have
been truly excellent in terms of quality. I'd really like to know (as a
matter of interest and curiosity) what problems these sort of productions
present and how they are overcome. Does anyone here do any of this stuff?

Regards

Chas
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Denny Conn
Date: Mar 31, 2008 15:03

Chas Gill wrote:
>
> It just occurred to me that most contributors here are those that largely
> support bands (even the church jobs). I don't recall ever seeing a
> contribution from theatre engineers (i.e. those that support musical theatre
> and the like on long residential runs). It seems to me that this requires a
> wholly different approach (but I may be wrong). For a start, running a
> whole bundle of radio lavs presents it's own set of problems and I have to
> say that most (but not all by far) of the live productions I have seen have
> been truly excellent in terms of quality. I'd really like to know (as a
> matter of interest and curiosity) what problems these sort of productions
> present and how they are overcome. Does anyone here do any of this stuff?

Most of the work I do is in a theater, but some of it is music. But
there's a wide variety of events.

----------->Denny

--
Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Tim Perry
Date: Mar 31, 2008 15:43

"Chas Gill" gollum.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:2JWdnSHY1bH7xWzaRVnyvAA@bt.com...
> It just occurred to me that most contributors here are those that largely
> support bands (even the church jobs). I don't recall ever seeing a
> contribution from theatre engineers (i.e. those that support musical
theatre
> and the like on long residential runs). It seems to me that this requires
a
> wholly different approach (but I may be wrong). For a start, running a
> whole bundle of radio lavs presents it's own set of problems and I have to
> say that most (but not all by far) of the live productions I have seen
have
> been truly excellent in terms of quality. I'd really like to know (as a
> matter of interest and curiosity) what problems these sort of productions
> present and how they are overcome. Does anyone here do any of this stuff?
>
> Regards
>
> Chas
> ...
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: 0junk4me
Date: Mar 31, 2008 17:42

On 2008-03-31 timperry@nospammeadelphia.net said:
>Oddly enough I just did sound for a Cinderella musical this week.
>The client only wanted 4 boundery effect mics.
>I used 2 JRX112M in the angled down mode on crank up stands. The
>venue was a multi purpose room (gym with stage).
>The result was quite satisfactory to me and the client.
>The first rule of wireless mics is - don't use them unless you have
>to. The second rule is - if you have to use then don't use cheep-o
>junk. The third rule is use fresh batteries.
>The forth rule is you can do everything right and still have
>problems.
AGree with every point he made. iF you lurk at all in
rec.arts.movies.production.sound you'll note that about 80%%
of the discussion over there is making wireless work
adequately...
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Phil Allison
Date: Mar 31, 2008 19:21

"Chas Gill"
>
> It just occurred to me that most contributors here are those that largely
> support bands (even the church jobs). I don't recall ever seeing a
> contribution from theatre engineers (i.e. those that support musical
> theatre and the like on long residential runs).

** There certainly have been many, but not many recently.
> It seems to me that this requires a wholly different approach (but I may
> be wrong).

** Yep - it a whole nuther ball game.

As the Yanks are fond of saying .....
> For a start, running a whole bundle of radio lavs presents it's own set of
> problems and I have to say that most (but not all by far) of the live
> productions I have seen have been truly excellent in terms of quality.
> I'd really like to know (as a matter of interest and curiosity) what
> problems these sort of productions present and how they are overcome.

** Don't ask folk to write treatises just for you - pal - they do have
better things to do with their spare time.
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Chas Gill
Date: Apr 1, 2008 01:29

<0junk4me@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:JxfIj.46$DY1.27@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
>
> Sound folks have been doing theaters before good wireless
> was available or that reliable.
>
> Additional hints for theater sound:
>
> Attend rehearsals. DOn't be afraid to mark up your script
> liberally so as not to miss your cues.
> KNow that script cold forward and backward because about the
> time you expect to depend on your cues coming to you from
> the clearcomm somebody will be yakking away about something
> else.
>
>
>
> ...
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Date: Apr 1, 2008 03:51

In article bignews5.bellsouth.net>, wrote:
> Sound folks have been doing theaters before good wireless
> was available or that reliable.
>

And before that actors knew how to project.
> Additional hints for theater sound:
>
> Attend rehearsals. DOn't be afraid to mark up your script
> liberally so as not to miss your cues.
> KNow that script cold forward and backward because about the
> time you expect to depend on your cues coming to you from
> the clearcomm somebody will be yakking away about something
> else.
>

Agreed, plus don't be over helpful and cover for someone else who's not
doing their job properly. It'll backfire on you. Also, in amateur
theatre at least, be prepared for the one line that an actor will
forget will be the line you're relying on as your cue.
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Arny Krueger
Date: Apr 1, 2008 05:24

"Chas Gill" gollum.btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:2JWdnSHY1bH7xWzaRVnyvAA@bt.com
> It just occurred to me that most contributors here are
> those that largely support bands (even the church jobs). I don't recall
> ever seeing a contribution from theatre
> engineers (i.e. those that support musical theatre and
> the like on long residential runs). It seems to me that
> this requires a wholly different approach (but I may be
> wrong). For a start, running a whole bundle of radio
> lavs presents it's own set of problems and I have to say
> that most (but not all by far) of the live productions I
> have seen have been truly excellent in terms of quality. I'd really like
> to know (as a matter of interest and
> curiosity) what problems these sort of productions
> present and how they are overcome. Does anyone here do
> any of this stuff?

FWIW, churches often do live productions. We're pretty much off the lav
kick though, we have a bunch of E6s.
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: Phildo
Date: Apr 1, 2008 05:48

"Chas Gill" gollum.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:2JWdnSHY1bH7xWzaRVnyvAA@bt.com...
> It just occurred to me that most contributors here are those that largely
> support bands (even the church jobs). I don't recall ever seeing a
> contribution from theatre engineers (i.e. those that support musical
> theatre and the like on long residential runs). It seems to me that this
> requires a wholly different approach (but I may be wrong). For a start,
> running a whole bundle of radio lavs presents it's own set of problems and
> I have to say that most (but not all by far) of the live productions I
> have seen have been truly excellent in terms of quality. I'd really like
> to know (as a matter of interest and curiosity) what problems these sort
> of productions present...
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Re: There's engineers and engineers......         


Author: jakdedert
Date: Apr 1, 2008 06:43

Marc Amsterdam wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:29:07 +0100, "Chas Gill"
> gollum.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>> PS: Is there ANYTHING that can be done to minimise crosstalk between two
>> radio mics when the actors are in close proximity? The best solution I have
>> found so far is to mute one of them but to be ready (VERY ready) to open it
>> again as the actors move apart (which isn't always when one might
>> expect!!!!!).
>>
>
>
> fair question!!!
>
> yes and no...
>
> i run a porgy and bess and the obvious part that they declare their
> love is sung at about 20 cm apart from each other.
> ...
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