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Re: A Gay Man and Boy Lover Speaks Out         

Group: alt.atlanta · Group Profile
Author: tedw
Date: Aug 2, 2008 07:02

On Aug 2, 3:02 am, nambla.james.bail...@googlemail.com wrote:
> A Gay Man and Boy Lover Speaks Out
> Jamie Baillie
> 2008 NAMBLA Spokesman
> 2008 NAMBLA Activist of the Month (May)http://www.nambla.org
>
> A Gay Man and Boy Lover Speaks Out
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I am a boy-lover and a 39-year-old gay man. I had a wonderful affair
> with a 37-year-old man when I was only 10 years old. It was the most
> pure, clean, and honest relationship I've ever had in my life. I knew
> of my attraction for men and other boys when I was eight years old.
>
> At the age of 10, a very good looking 37-year-old man, a friend of my
> family who I very much looked up to, made his approach on me. I guess
> I had a lot to do with it because I wanted it. We had a very
> wonderful, passionate, heated affair, but it only lasted eight
> months. I fell deeply in love with this man, and through my love for
> him I matured a lot spiritually as well as sexually. We did
> everything that two loving people could do with each other.
>
> Unfortunately this man who I loved so much had to walk away from my
> life because my parents found out about our close relationship through
> another friend of mine (a peer) to whom I had entrusted my secret. My
> man friend was scared and decided to move to another state. No
> charges were ever pressed against him because I never admitted making
> love with him.
>
> It's hard to believe that this society, with its deep research on
> modern psychology and space age technology, has not grown out of this
> sexual taboo. They probably don't want to face the real true facts of
> intergenerational relationships and how harmless they really are.
>
> Society seems concerned about controlling and monitoring everything a
> minor does. It is inconceivable that such relationships are punished
> with such long jail sentences. People commit murder and their jail
> terms are less.
>
> I could have had a much healthier and lasting relationship when I was
> a boy if it wasn't because of the way society is. They fucked up the
> nice relationship I was having, and that's no good! Even though I
> was, like they say now, "molested at 10," I did not grow up to be a
> child molester! That's bullshit! Boy love is a natural thing and
> boys naturally want to make love to adult gay men.
>
> I'm sorry if I seem enraged about this issue, but I still hold so
> much frustration inside because I was never given a chance to be who I
> wanted to be when I was 10 years old. I was told it was wrong to love
> a man, that I was too young, and that this man was evil.
>
> Of course, I never thought of him as an evil person. I thought he was
> great! I knew what I wanted, but my parents told me I was just a
> child and I shouldn't be thinking about sex.
>
> You see, my adult gay life has been tough. It's mostly sexual, and
> everything floats around "looks" and "sex," but if I look back to that
> first relationship, I found support, caring, spirituality, and
> commitment, as well as intensity and purity. All of that is very
> difficult to achieve these days; the adult gay scene seems to revolve
> around lust and sex.
>
> How can gay people attack, judge, and condemn boy-lovers if we were
> once under the same oppression as they are today? Do we really want
> to become as closed-minded as those who refuse to let us gay people
> share a space in society? Have any of us taken the time to examine
> closely what man/boy love is all about? How can we then become part
> of the narrow-minded team that we once fought, and still fight,
> against? How could we ever win the battle of gay rights if we are
> shooting with the same weapons that were (and are) used against us?
> We have forgotten that sex is a vehicle of communication through which
> there can be the maximum expression of love.
>
> The fact of the matter is, most gay men are boy lovers in private even
> if they put on another face in public. I have the courage to stand up
> and be counted as a proud boy lover who has had multiple partners as
> young as eight years old. The time has come for the rest of you to
> stand with me in this plea for reason. Love is beauty and the love
> between a man and a boy is a beautiful thing especially when expressed
> as love making.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Jamie Baillie
>
> --
>
> Jamie Baillie
> 2008 NAMBLA Spokesman
> 2008 NAMBLA Activist of the Month (May)http://www.nambla.org
>
> darks...@nambla.org - Find me at NAMBLA
> darks...@darkshado.ca - Find me at home
> darksha...@gmail.com - Find me mobile
>
> Join The North American Man/Boy Love Associationhttp://www.nambla.org/join.htm
>
> Support The North American Man/Boy Love Associationhttp://www.nambla.org/donate.htm
>
> Become active in The North American Man/Boy Love Associationhttp://www.nambla.org/help.htm
>
> "The best sex I ever had was with a nine year old boy named Timmy"
> Jamie Baillie
>
> "Consumption of a young boy's feces is better than Viagra"
> Jamie Baillie

While it may seem off subject on alt.recovery.aa, maybe the discussion
of NAMBLA is not.

Here is from their website:

WELCOME! The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was
formed in 1978. It was inspired by the success of a campaign based in
Boston's gay community to defend against a local witchhunt.

NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in
mutually consensual relationships by:

# building understanding and support for such relationships;
# educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy
love;
# cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation
movements;
# supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual
prejudice and oppression.

Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and
personal freedom.

NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of youth in all areas, not just the
sexual. We support greater economic, political and social
opportunities for young people and denounce the rampant ageism that
segregates and isolates them in fear and mistrust. We believe sexual
feelings are a positive life force. We support the rights of youth as
well as adults to choose the partners with whom they wish to share and
enjoy their bodies.

We condemn sexual abuse and all forms of coercion. Freely-chosen
relationships differ from unwanted sex. Present laws, which focus only
on the age of the participants, ignore the quality of their
relationships. We know that differences in age do not preclude mutual,
loving interaction between persons. NAMBLA is strongly opposed to age-
of-consent laws and all other restrictions which deny men and boys the
full enjoyment of their bodies and control over their own lives.

NAMBLA does not provide encouragement, referrals or assistance for
people seeking sexual contacts. NAMBLA does not engage in any
activities that violate the law, nor do we advocate that anyone else
should do so.

We call for fundamental reform of the laws regarding relations between
youths and adults. Today, many thousands of men and boys are unjustly
ground into the disfunctional criminal justice system. Blindly, this
system condemns consensual, loving relationships between younger and
older people. NAMBLA's Prisoner Program, with limited resources, works
to provide a modicum of humanity to some of these people. Click here
to find out more.

NAMBLA is a political, civil rights, and educational organization. We
provide factual information and help educate society about the
positive and beneficial nature of man/boy love. Become an active
member! You can help in this historic struggle!

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By its own admission NAMBLA cooperates with lesbian and gay
movements:

"# cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation
movements;"

Its not surprising that one form of sexual perversion (pedophilia)
would seek support from other forms of sexual perversion.

From Wikipedia:

Gregory King of the Human Rights Campaign later said that "NAMBLA is
not a gay organization ... They are not part of our community and we
thoroughly reject their efforts to insinuate that pedophilia is an
issue related to gay and lesbian civil rights."[14] NAMBLA responded
by claiming that "man/boy love is by definition homosexual," that "man/
boy lovers are part of the gay movement and central to gay history and
culture," and that "homosexuals denying that it is 'not gay' to be
attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as heterosexuals
saying it's 'not heterosexual' to be attracted to adolescent
girls."[15]

Some, like Pat Califia[19] argue that politics played an important
role in the gay community's rejection of NAMBLA. Califia says that
although the gay rights mainstream never committed itself to NAMBLA or
its platform, neither did it actively ostracise NAMBLA until opponents
of gay rights used the group to link gay rights with child abuse and
"recruitment." As evidence, subscribers to this theory point to
statements made by prominent gay activists which contain political
assessments of NAMBLA's impact on gay rights. One such statement was
made by gay rights lobbyist Steve Endean. Endean, who opposed NAMBLA,
said: "What NAMBLA is doing is tearing apart the movement. If you
attach it [the man/boy love issue] to gay rights, gay rights will
never happen." Gay author and activist Edmund White made a similar
statement in his book States of Desire: "That's the politics of self-
indulgence. Our movement cannot survive the man-boy issue. It's not a
question of who's right, it's a matter of political naivete."

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Gay leaders saying: "Its not a question of who's right, it's a matter
of political naivete."
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