"Pastor Frank"
christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:45978032$0$18572$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
> "Reverend Dave"
ministerpants.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98A816EBCCCDCrevdave@38.119.71.210...>> "Pastor Frank"
christfirst.edu> wrote in
>> news:45943f70$0$15437$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:>>>
>>> The Sanscrit maya means illusion / dream. Therefore the we the
>>> dreamt are the illusion of the dreamer, AKA God.
>>
>> Buddhism bases itself in reality, seeing things as they are, not
>> dreams or illusions. By the way, most early Buddhist texts were
>> written in Pali, not Sanskrit. Later texts perhaps, like the Lotus
>> Sutra, which some people look upon as the Buddhist equivalent of The
>> Book of Mormon.
>>
> Your read the santized English translations I bet.
If you consider English translations of the original Pali Canon
translated by Sri Lankan monks to be sanitized. As you appear to be an
expert on the subject pehaps you could suggest some more appropriate,
unsanitized translations?
> Original Buddhist writings are beset by gods and miracles of all kinds.
"Reality" my foot!!!
Yes Frank, there are gods in Buddhism, more precisely devas, beings in
the other realms according to the Buddhist cosmology however none of
these created the earth, or the universe nor did they create mankind
which was the central point of HiEv's original arguement, ie that most
Buddhists are technically atheists in that they do not believe in a
creator being.
As for the miracles, I'd really love to see some references. Do you have
any URL's you'd care to share?
> Buddhism is a derivative of Hinduism. Btw ALL religions are based
> on maya.
Buddhism is a derivative of Hinduism in the same way astronomy is a
derivative of astrology.
One might be correct in saying that Christianity is an extention of
Judaism in that the central point that held true in the earlier belief
still holds true in the newer, ie the existence of God.
The comparisson between Hinduism and Buddhism is not so favourable. It
would be correct to say that Buddhism diverges from Hinduism, in that it
rejects the notion of a creator being, it rejects the pantheon of Hindu
gods (Brahma, Rama, Shiva, Krishna, Vishnu, Maya and so on) and it even
rejects the notion of Atman (soul).
I agree that all religions that are belief systems are based on illusion
(maya) and consequently delusion. Fortunately Buddhism is not a belief
system.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Saying "atheists only disbelieve" is a sure sign that you have no
>>>>>> clue what "atheism" means. For your information, "atheism" means
>>>>>> "without a belief in god(s)." It does NOT necessarily mean an
>>>>>> active disbelief in the possibility of god(s), though it can mean
>>>>>> that too. Furthermore, "atheists" are not a monolithic group who
>>>>>> all feel exactly the same about everything. They just have one
>>>>>> thing in common, they have no belief in gods. That's it.
>>>>>> Anything else can be believed or not and it won't change the fact
>>>>>> that they're an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That proves my point. You exclusively talk about the things
>>>>> you DON'T believe. Whereas we Christian talk about things we
>>>>> DO believe.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between atheists and Christians is that atheists for
>>>> the most part believe in things that are observable, or proven to
>>>> be true.
>>>>
>>> Those have nothing in common with religion, for religion deals
>>> with
>>> qualities. I.e. the quality 'beauty' is observable but not
>>> scientifically quantifiable, therefore not intrinsically "proven to
>>> be true". The same goes for all qualities, especially character
>>> qualities, which are the perview of religion.
>>
>> The perception of beauty is a matter of personal preference based
>> perhaps in part on societal norms but with no requirement for
>> rational thinking.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Atheism is responsible for the greatest crimes in human
>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christ's prime law is to love others and treat them as you
>>>>>>> would want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be treated. Atheists don't believe that too, as much as they
>>>>>>> disbelieve pretty much everything, else and act accordingly. See
>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. "Atheism" simply means having no belief in gods. They
>>>>>> can believe or not believe in the "Golden Rule" if they want to.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie, for atheists post reams of calumnies and hate
>>>>> against what we hold holy, as well as go out of their way to flame
>>>>> believers.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Christians never ever do the same. Please let me know
>>>> which NG you read on a regular basis so that the next time Old Man
>>>> Joe, or others of his ilk show up in the atheist groups spewing
>>>> their hatred, I can crosspost it back in your direction.
>>>>
>>> By all means. I have yet to see Old Man Joe "spew hatred". He
>>> does
>>> a good job however explaining Calvinism, with which I disagree. Ad
>>> hominem is most commonly used by atheists, who run quickly out of
>>> atheist words to use, for how many ways are there to say "there
>>> ain't no god(s)"?
>>
>> Obviously Joe doesn't post his hatred towards atheists to your NG.
>> The next time he decides to pop in with one of his "atheists are God
>> haters" rants I'll be sure to pass it on to you.
>>
> Would you like me to "pass on to you" the atheist trashing of what
> we
> Christians consider holy and the flaming of believers?
Frank, you already do this from time to time. Ranting and raving about
how atheist trolls soil your pristine Christian newsgroups. Why let it
get to you? Why not just turn the other cheek when someone is offensive?
> Btw I'm sure you are aware, that most who call themselves atheist
> are
> not, but rather are anti-theists in general, of not also
> anti-Christians in particular.
And yet I do understand where they are coming from. I'm willing to bet
that the same people are probably also anti-communist and anti-fascist. I
imagine that their greatest fear would be to have their democracy morph
into a theocracy and eventually end up as something not unlike what
Margaret Atwood describes in The Handmaid's Tale.
--
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein
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