> On Jun 16, 2:10 pm, LiamToo yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> On Jun 16, 3:53 pm, Uncle Vic inreach.com> wrote:

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>>> On Jun 16, 1:01 pm, LiamToo yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>> On Jun 16, 2:33 pm, Uncle Vic inreach.com> wrote:

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>>>>> On Jun 16, 9:59 am, LiamToo yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>> On Jun 16, 11:48 am, "Bob T." synapse-cs.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 9:34 am,LiamTooyahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 11:02 am, Uncle Vic withheld.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>> One fine day in alt.atheism, john w @yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>   Contrary to what you wish to believe, there is considerable evidence
>>>>>>>>>> for Christianity, for God, and for the Bible.

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>>>>>>>>> Post it here.

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>>>>>>>>> Uncle Vic
>>>>>>>>> aa Atheist #2011
>>>>>>>>> Separator of Church and Reason.
>>>>>>>>> Convicted by Earthquack.

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>>>>>>>> If you know Josephus, a non-Christian historian in the 1st century,
>>>>>>>> then that's a start. In his book, Jewish Antiquities, he wrote about
>>>>>>>> John the Baptist and James the Just. Both of these persons were
>>>>>>>> connected very closely to Jesus Christ.

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>>>>>>>> Other 1st century pagan historians like Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the
>>>>>>>> Younger, etc, wrote about the existence of Christianity.

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>>>>>>>> Any questions?

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>>>>>>> Yes.  Who on Earth is questioning the existence of Christianity?

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>>>>>> Uncle Vic, a noted atheist did. Of couse he was drawing dead and we
>>>>>> Christians have the Royal Flush.

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>>>>> So you claim.  Put your cards on the table.

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>>>>>>> I'll even grant that there was probably a religious leader named Jesus who
>>>>>>> was crucified.

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>>>>>> No question about it.

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>>>>>>> Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard both existed, too, but that doesn't mean their religions
>>>>>>> have any basis in reality.

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>>>>>> Agreed. Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard both existed too and created
>>>>>> their own cults. They were not Christians, however.

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>>>>> We agree that Mormonism and Scientology - even though they exist - are
>>>>> mythology-based religions which can supply no evidence to back their
>>>>> beliefs, right?  What evidence do you have that puts Christianity in a
>>>>> different circle?

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>>>> I thought I already wrote about the testimonials of 1st century
>>>> historians, who were non-Christians or pagans like Josephus, Tacitus,
>>>> Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, etc. They wrote about John the Baptist
>>>> and James the Just, who are considered the brethren of our Lord anf
>>>> God, Jesus Christ.

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>>> Yes, and you were told these are only proof that *Christianity*
>>> existed back in those days.  I'll ask you again.  What evidence do you
>>> have that puts Christianity in a different circle than Mormonism,
>>> Scientology, Islam, Judaism, Mithraism, or the ancient Greek
>>> religions?  How is "God" any different from Zeus?

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>> All of these religions are different. I'm here to talk about
>> Christianity. I'm not an expert of the other religions, so my advice
>> to you is to go to alt.Mormon for Mormonism or alt.Scientology for
>> Scientology, alt. Islam for Islam and so on, as simple as that.

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>> But here in the Christian group, I've given the testimonials about the
>> existence of our Lord and God, Jesus Christ. These were from the 1st
>> century historians, unbiased because they were not Christians, and
>> some whom were  pagans.

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> You refuse to understand that the testimonials of these historians are
> not testimony to the existence of "God".  They are testimonies to the
> existence of Christianity.  They only prove that there were people
> around that time who believed in Jesus, God, etc.  So what?