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Author: Sound of TrumpetSound of Trumpet Date: May 5, 2008 04:36
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-atheists-make-huge-mistake.html
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
New atheists make a huge ethical mistake
It seems quite popular now for new atheists to insist that one cannot
jump from 'is' to 'ought'. For example, if a professional historian
claims that what Hitler did was influenced by underlying Darwinian
principles, the atheist will be quick to point out that those
"Darwinian principles" are merely descriptive, i.e. they only tell us
what is the case. But, we are assured by the atheist, the same
principles do not imply anything prescriptive, i.e. they don't tell us
what ought to be the case. So Richard Dawkins:
I have often said before, as a scientist I am a passionate Darwinian.
But as a citizen and a human being, I want to construct a society
which is about as un-Darwinian as we can make it. I approve of looking
after the poor (very un-Darwinian). I approve of universal medical
care (very un-Darwinian). It is one of the classic philosophical
fallacies to derive an 'ought' from an 'is'.
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Author: MilanMilan Date: May 5, 2008 06:44
> http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-atheists-make-huge-mistake.html
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> Wednesday, April 23, 2008
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> New atheists make a huge ethical mistake
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> It seems quite popular now for new atheists to insist that one cannot
> jump from 'is' to 'ought'. For example, if a professional historian
> claims that what Hitler did was influenced by underlying Darwinian
> principles, the atheist will be quick to point out that those
> "Darwinian principles" are merely descriptive, i.e. they only tell us
> what is the case. But, we are assured by the atheist, the same
> principles do not imply anything prescriptive, i.e. they don't tell us
> what ought to...
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Author: artyw2artyw2 Date: May 5, 2008 06:48
I think they get them from the same place that SF writers get their
ideas. Some company in Jersey IIRC.
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Author: raven1raven1 Date: May 5, 2008 06:58
On Mon, 5 May 2008 04:36:15 -0700 (PDT), Sound of Trumpet
mailhaven.com> wrote:
>Now, we all know that at least some actions are really not permissible
>(for example, racist actions).
If the author needs religion to tell him such a thing, it's unlikely
to help much.
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Author: Mike SchillingMike Schilling Date: May 5, 2008 06:59
Milan wrote:
> Kant said this over 2 centuries ago.
And Pete Townshend in 1970.
I learned how to raise my voice in anger
Yeah, but look at my face, ain't this a smile?
I'm happy when life's good
And when it's bad I cry
I've got values but I don't know how or why
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Author: HatterHatter Date: May 5, 2008 07:04
On May 5, 9:58Â am, raven1 nevermore.com> wrote:> On Mon, 5 May 2008 04:36:15 -0700 (PDT), Sound of Trumpet
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> mailhaven.com> wrote:>>Now, we all know that at least some actions are really not permissible
>>(for example, racist actions).
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> If the author needs religion to tell him such a thing, it's unlikely
> to help much.
especially since it tends to give liscence to racist
behavior....really "chosen people" ring a bell?
Hatter
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: May 5, 2008 07:24
From the same place that Christian Darwinists get theirs.
BOfL
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Author: Mark K. BilboMark K. Bilbo Date: May 5, 2008 07:45
On May 5, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet mailhaven.com>
wrote:
At least we have ethics. Unlike you.
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Author: louann_mlouann_m Date: May 5, 2008 07:49
On May 5, 8:44 am, "Milan" yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gosh, what a load of bollocks.
Your identification is correct, and here is your five pounds.
This guy wandered over from talk.origins, which may be my fault for
frequenting both groups. He's persistently unteachable
-- ask him to
back up the assertions about Pharoah's five-spoked chariot wheels
being found in the Red Sea that he made 10 years ago. He's known there
as The Nameless One so that his self-Googling doesn't draw him in more
often.
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Author: raven1raven1 Date: May 5, 2008 08:07
On Mon, 5 May 2008 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT), "louann_m@ yahoo.com"
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 5, 8:44 am, "Milan" yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Gosh, what a load of bollocks.
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>Your identification is correct, and here is your five pounds.
>
>This guy wandered over from talk.origins, which may be my fault for
>frequenting both groups. He's persistently unteachable -- ask him to
>back up the assertions about Pharoah's five-spoked chariot wheels
>being found in the Red Sea that he made 10 years ago. He's known there
>as The Nameless One so that his self-Googling doesn't draw him in more
>often.
Methinks you're confusing SOT with McClueless. They are definitely not
the same person.
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