On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:52:10 +0200, Donna Evleth
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>> Subject: Eat Shit and Die....
>> Eat shit and die radical liberals. The end is neigh.
>> Sarah Palin: conservatives find the girl of their dreams
>> The Alaskan governor¹s family life and political views press the
>> right¹s buttons
>Maybe the conservatives find Sarah Palin alluring. I myself could not vote
>for her even if I were a Republican. When I was a Republican, I was a
>moderate. This woman is a radical conservative. I disagree with most of
>I believe in global warming.
It is a typical distortion of the facts in this instance. Sarah Palin
is not a non-believer in Global Warming. She has only expressed a
belief that it is not "caused by human behavior." Here are her exact
words from the conservative magazine Newsmax -- "A changing
environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of
our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being
I am a believer in global warming, because it is impossible to deny,
while it may well end in the next decade, if not "caused by human
behavior." I am not convinced it is caused by human behavior, and no
one has shown me sufficient proof that it is caused by human behavior.
> I think "creation science" is not a science at
>all, simply because there are a lot of religions, and each of them has its
>own creation story.
Again there is somewhat of a distortion of Palin's view, although I
admit it is a bit extreme for my taste, but there is the issue of
"freedom of speech" even in the classroom if connected in any way to
the subject. Here again are her exact words on this issue -- "I don't
think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in
class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
In respect to any religious aspect of her support freedom of speech in
the classroom, she had this to say -- "I won't have religion as a
litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or
>While I believe that abortion is always a tragedy, I do
>not believe that it can be legislated out of existence.
Murder can also not be legislated out of existence. Does that mean
you support murder, but see it as "always a tragedy"? The claims of
"wire-hanger abortions" as a reason to legalize on-demand abortion,
is as senseless as claiming "mothers killing babies" is a reason to
legalize the killing of babies by their mothers.
It's quite obvious that the hysterical claims of "wire-hanger
abortion" as a reason to legalize on-demand abortion of a viable
fetus, is nothing more than "fear propaganda." As I pointed out
before... there is that "the Russians are coming... the Russians are
coming... so let's legalize nuking them first" mentality behind that
"fear propaganda," which is no different than the claim of "the
wire-hanger abortions are coming... the wire-hanger abortions are
coming... so let's legalize all on-demand abortions first." The
number of viable fetuses aborted in on-demand abortion is clearly
thousands of times larger than the perception of "wire-hanger
abortions," but that is what those who support unlimited on-demand
abortion never mention. Obviously you would trade those REAL
thousands of on-demand abortions of viable human fetuses in
exchange for one hypothetical "wire-hanger abortion."
> This has been
>tried, to the point that in one country that did so, abortionists were even
>liable for the death penalty, and a couple were actually executed.
And your point is??? That this will always degenerate into such a
state unless we legalize in the U.S. the depraved indifference for an
unborn human being in on-demand abortion without the slightest
government oversight ??? Isn't it strange for a "conservative" to
want government oversight, while a "liberal" insists there should be
no government oversight to any on-demand abortion?
> Abortion went on.
We don't legalize murder, just because it goes on when it is not
>There must be other ways to explore this problem, like education.
What makes you think that education and the law are somehow mutually
exclusive? Education should teach the dangers of "wire-hanger
abortions," wouldn't you say? The idea that opposing unlimited
on-demand abortion is somehow opposing sex education is sheer
Education should teach how NOT to become pregnant if sexually active.
This does not need to be limited to those in their teen years, while
still in school. It can be taught to all women of child-bearing age
not wanting to become pregnant, as well as boys in school not wanting
to become fathers, and adult married or unmarried men not wanting to
impregnate any woman.
>Why not try them? I don't even want to talk about the gun issue. I learned
>long ago not to try to reason with the conservatives on this one, as their
>minds are irrevocably made up.
It's settled law. But given your tear-jerking claims that there are
more dangers to having a weapon for self-defense than permitting the
right to self-defense, let me offer my monthly report of citizens
saved by having guns for self-defense. I defy you to show the same
number of incidents in which citizens harmed themselves by having guns
during the month of June 2008 --
Today I hug my wife and children, NRA Benefactor Life member Terry
Lee wrote in an email to the NRA. The trouble began when Lee heard a
muffled crash downstairs, then another. He grabbed his Kimber
.45-caliber pistol and went to investigate. A naked man had broken in.
Asked what he was doing, the intruder responded with expletives. Lee
held the man at gunpoint and yelled for his wife to dial 9-1-1. The
man made a couple attempts to get up, but I was able to convince him
to stay on the floor to avoid being shot, Lee explained. Police
determined the suspect was high on drugs. He was also on probation,
with priors for burglary and theft. With [the NRAs] guidance over
the years, I was able to keep calm and make rational decisions in a
difficult and stressful situation, Lee said. (Iron County, UT,
Sheriffs Office Law Incident Report, 06/06/08)
It is every bank customers worst nightmare. Police say a man handed a
teller a note, demanding money and claimed to have a bomb strapped to
his chest. Meanwhile, Nabil Fawzi was making a transaction with the
adjacent teller when she whispered to him, We might be getting
robbed. Fawzi, who has a concealed carry permit, decided to take
action. Drawing his handgun, he told the robber the heist was over.
But I have a bomb, the robber replied. I dont care, said Fawzi.
You are not robbing this bank today. Fawzi approached the robber,
determined he wasnt wearing a bomb or carrying a weapon, and held him
for police. In my situation, I felt like I could do it, and I just
did it because it was the right thing to do, he said. Fawzi and his
business partner celebrated by discounting gas by 5 cents and giving
away free hot dogs at their station. (The Ann Arbor News, Ann Arbor,
Police say a man suspected in a burglary incident was already due in
court for a separate, prior burglary. This time, however, he may have
learned his lesson. Troy Howard woke to the sound of breaking glass as
the suspect and at least one accomplice forcefully entered the home.
Howards wife of nearly 50 years locked the bedroom door and hid in
the closet. Meanwhile, Howard grabbed his double-barreled shotgun just
in time to see a beam from the suspects flashlight shining under the
door. When the suspect tried to force the door open, Howard emptied
both barrels. The wounded suspects fled. (News at Norman, Lake Norman,
An employee of Chanellos Pizza was making a delivery when five
juveniles sprang from the residence and began assaulting him,
allegedly laughing and enjoying their attack. The deliveryman tried to
run away, but the suspects wouldnt let him. Fearing the onslaught
would continue until he was dead, the deliveryman drew his handgun and
shot one of the suspects several times. The wounded suspect and his
accomplices were arrested at the hospital. Unlike the incident
involving a Pizza Hut deliveryman reported in July, the Chanellos
deliveryman has his employers full support. Im glad he did have a
gun, said John Campbell, owner of Chanellos Pizza. He might have
been killed if he didnt. Campbell gave the deliveryman time off to
recover. (The Daily Reflector, Greenville, NC, 06/19/08)
Seventy-year-old Billy Jackson and his wife were cleaning an apartment
attached to their home when two masked men, one of them carrying a
stolen gun, forced their way inside. Police say the intruders got the
jump on Jackson, putting the gun in his face. They had the weapon two
feet from my headI thought I was dead, recalls Jackson, who wanted
to prevent the men from reaching his wife in the kitchen. Thinking
quickly, Jackson feigned a heart attack, buying himself time to reach
for the gun he had tucked in his waistband. He drew the pistol,
killing both intruders. Im so sorry for the people I hurt, Jackson
explained. But I had no choice. I thought I was dead and my wife was
dead. (The Courier-Journal, Louisville, KY, 06/05/08)
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And in looking at the last one, tell me how a long-arm weapon could
have saved his life and the life of his wife?
Then how about this just a couple of days ago? ---
>I can't help but feel that McCain chose this woman because she is a woman.
Obviously that was part of his equation in making that choice. And a
damn good way to take the focus away from Obama's "Messiah" message
the day before, I'd say.
>I would never vote for someone on those grounds.
So you hate women... :-) It's a joke, Donna... don't get all riled
> After all, I did not vote
>for Hillary. I suspect there are a good many other women, of both parties,
>who are with me on this one.
Of course there are. No one should pre-judge another for having a
personal choice. Unfortunately, you are married to a man who does
pre-judge others for their personal choice.
Now you want to hear the most disturbing aspect of Sarah Palin's views
to me? She is anti-gay. Just the same as your husband who insists no
gays are permitted in his "physical world." I find it impossible to
equate that within any of my conservative views. Is it enough to shun
her entire agenda? Not as far as I'm concerned, because in this
instance the executive branch has little power. The power rests in
the judicial branch which can stifle any anti-gay executive or
legislative agenda, by simply declaring it unconstitutional. And as
it stands at this moment, while I admit I am frantically investigating
her entire agenda, I have less fear of her becoming president than I
do of either Obama or Biden becoming president. She has risen quite
rapidly... but then so has Obama, and I find very little criticism of
that fast rise of Obama from liberals.
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