"Bear"
gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.228adef06ac2e9896fe@news.individual.de...>> Helping people into work is my day job and we see people from all over
>> Eastern Europe who arrive here being promised work and then it doesn't
>> materialise and without talking out of turn or playing the blame game
>> most
>> of the time they get very little public assistance. worse still are those
>> who have been working and either become ill or lose their jobs to
>> discover
>> their employer has not (as is the employers responsibility) sorted out
>> their
>> workers registration documentation and then they despite paying in, are
>> not
>> entitled to public benefit - I think it is wrong as they find themselves
>> penalised because their former employer hasn't complied with legislation.
>
> Then you chalk it up to experience and go home. You don't then try and
> sponge off the same nation. I've had something similar happen in a
> situation where it was "just one of those things", and I was a long,
> *long* way from home. I didn't cry about it, I packed up, went home
> (much as I didn't want to) and looked for work at home again.
>
> Dodgy employers should, of course, be brought to book.
>
>> Then we get folks who arrive here as asylum seekers who are given
>> indefinate
>> leave to remain which also allows them to register for work - many have
>> been
>> dreadfully traumatised by the experience that made them flee their
>> country
>> of origin.
>
> Asylum seekers are a different category, to me at least. Flight wasn't,
> for them, an economic choice.
>
>> Then we get folks who see selling the big issue or the Irish version of
>> it
>> Irelands Issues who are managed by the equivalent of gangmasters here
>> they
>> sell these during the day and then move onto the roses outside the pubs
>> and
>> clubs during the evening some not all also hassle people at ATM machines
>> and
>> many of them whilst irksome are also exploited by others higher up the
>> food
>> chain who do speak the same language (often Bulgarian or Romanian)
>>
>> Current immigration laws in my view are an absolute mess and leave the
>> most
>> exploitable open to exploitation. and of course, UK/NI and Ireland have
>> been
>> very happy to sup very deeply from the european well and are pardon the
>> pun,
>> well down the pecking order in terms of need now we have the baltic
>> states,
>> Bulgaria and Romania all much more needy in terms of infrastructure and
>> all
>> things euro.
>
> Are you talking about EU subsidies? Coz we've (the UK) got out less
> than we've put in, if memory serves.
>
>> Whether its a person flogging the homeless magazine or another working
>> for
>> next to nothing in a meat processing factory often doing the jobs that
>> benefit rich "local labour wouldn't touch with a barge pole, the issue is
>> poverty V Wealth and by wealth I mean not just money but access to
>> services
>> and networks and know how.
>>
>> Sorry if this seems like a rant, I am as able for the more flippant
>> comment
>> as everyone else
>
> I certainly wasn't being 100%% flippant.
>
>> but when I had a bit of a think about this I felt I needed
>> to be serious for a bit too :o)
>
> Why apologise?
I made rather flippant comments regarding the Ireland's Issues seller
"hostages" a couple of days ago and then I began to think about the real
issues I wasn't replying to the substance of your views or those of Dr H
Bear;
Because of where I am located in a part of Belfast which is deemed (as if)
to be religiously and culturally netural and also an area with a high
concentration of HMO's Hotels/pubs, major construction and a lot of the
vol/com orgs that support BME communities, we (i.e. the vol organisation
that I am Chief Executive of) had to develop culturally competent services
and find the money to deliver them to deal with high numbers of very
vulnerable people who do not have English as their first language. Many
arrive here having travelled from the Irish Republic and often struggle to
find work in a very different labour market context. There are currently no
restrictions to the free movement of labour from the EU including the A8
accession countries - there are restrictions for Bulgaria and Romania but
truth is there are already many here including the many who take the train
or bus from Dublin were there are no border checks etc.
I suppose I had hoped to add to the discussion but as I had been flippant I
felt that I needed qualify my comments.
Oh well.
