> "Bear" gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.22e3113a853ecc12989ccb@news.individual.de...

>> In article registered.motzarella.org>, zol says...
>>

>>> who knows, maybe some tree hugging woman will see me and think i am
>>> cool and
>>> give me some action in the back seat. ;o)

>>
>> But that's what is lamest about the Prius - in real-world conditions you
>> won't get anything like their claimed average.
>>
>> If economy is your goal then a small, modern diesel is your best bet.
>>

> diesel cars suck in the winter around here. it gets cold here. really
> cold. and i have no place to plug in a block heater so the damn thing
> will start when it's -20ºf on a cold january morning.
>

> Ah well...I learned enough to cool me on the idea. Maybe a Camry or Corolla?
> Does it take more engery to produce on of them than it does a Prius?
>
> I test drove a cool little '08 Honda Fit...anybody wanna knock that down? ;)
>
> BTW--I wouldn't buy an '08 car until the '09s come out in the fall.

> "Bear" gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.22e3113a853ecc12989ccb@news.individual.de...

>> In article registered.motzarella.org>, zol says...
>>

>>> who knows, maybe some tree hugging woman will see me and think i am cool
>>> and
>>> give me some action in the back seat. ;o)

>>
>> But that's what is lamest about the Prius - in real-world conditions you
>> won't get anything like their claimed average.
>>
>> If economy is your goal then a small, modern diesel is your best bet.
>>

> diesel cars suck in the winter around here. it gets cold here. really
> cold. and i have no place to plug in a block heater so the damn thing will
> start when it's -20ºf on a cold january morning.

>In article <6drn9vF41537U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Viva" privacy.net> wrote:

>> Ah well...I learned enough to cool me on the idea. Maybe a Camry or Corolla?
>> Does it take more engery to produce on of them than it does a Prius?
>>
>> I test drove a cool little '08 Honda Fit...anybody wanna knock that down? ;)
>>
>> BTW--I wouldn't buy an '08 car until the '09s come out in the fall.

>
>How about this:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6r25y9
>
>Two cylinder... 60mpg... 75MPH... and quirky as hell..

>Plus you can haul straw bales..

> zol wrote:

>> "Bear" gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.22e3113a853ecc12989ccb@news.individual.de...

>>> In article registered.motzarella.org>, zol says...
>>>

>>>> who knows, maybe some tree hugging woman will see me and think i am
>>>> cool and
>>>> give me some action in the back seat. ;o)

>>>
>>> But that's what is lamest about the Prius - in real-world conditions you
>>> won't get anything like their claimed average.
>>>
>>> If economy is your goal then a small, modern diesel is your best bet.
>>>

>> diesel cars suck in the winter around here. it gets cold here. really
>> cold. and i have no place to plug in a block heater so the damn thing
>> will start when it's -20ºf on a cold january morning.
>> ...

> What do you do - just break a bit off and smoke it in a lay-by?
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/lotus-takes-a-holistic-environmental-approach-with-hemp-based.../

>In article news.individual.net>,
>muddy cat says...

>> In article ,
>> Bear gmail.com> wrote:
>>

>>> You don't want to be a member of *that* club do you? :)

>>
>> I'd debate the 'slow' bit with you. Several times I've been making
>> progress (90ish) on the freeway only to have a prius pass me. I've also
>> had them beat me off the line when in my Jimmy (V6 engine). I think they
>> are the new Volvo.

>
>115 lb ft of torque in a car couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.
>
>0-60 in 11 seconds is only slightly faster than continental drift.
>
>Dog slow POS.

>In article registered.motzarella.org>, zol says...
>

>> who knows, maybe some tree hugging woman will see me and think i am cool and
>> give me some action in the back seat. ;o)

>
>But that's what is lamest about the Prius - in real-world conditions you
>won't get anything like their claimed average.
>
>If economy is your goal then a small, modern diesel is your best

>In article registered.motzarella.org>, zol says...
>

>> who knows, maybe some tree hugging woman will see me and think i am cool and
>> give me some action in the back seat. ;o)

>
>But that's what is lamest about the Prius - in real-world conditions you
>won't get anything like their claimed average.
>
>If economy is your goal then a small, modern diesel is your best bet.

>In article <6dmm6rF3dkvjU1@mid.individual.net>, Viva says...
>

>> I've been thinking about trading my car in for a Toyota Prius...

>
>Don't bother - they're crap.
>
>And I read a while back that they use more harmful resources to build
>than they ever "save" in use. So much of the "green" argument is
>rubbish.