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Author: BearBear Date: Nov 18, 2007 15:17
In article muddy cat said ...
> Our favorite Dim Sum restaurant is boarded up. Why? because the fucking
> city of sunnyvale[1] wants to redevelop the downtown area.
>
> [1] bastards, the lot of 'em.
Surely, if it already has a dim sum restaurant in it, the area is fully
developed as it is?
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Bear
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Author: BearBear Date: Nov 18, 2007 15:34
In article muddy cat said ...
> In article ,
> Bear gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article muddy cat said ...
>>> Our favorite Dim Sum restaurant is boarded up. Why? because the fucking
>>> city of sunnyvale[1] wants to redevelop the downtown area.
>>>
>>> [1] bastards, the lot of 'em.
>>
>> Surely, if it already has a dim sum restaurant in it, the area is fully
>> developed as it is?
>
> You are overlooking the 're' bit before development. It was a bunch of
> 'old' buildings. The city wants 'new' buildings that look cute and will
> attract people to the downtown area.
But old buildings are nicer.
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Author: BearBear Date: Nov 18, 2007 15:41
In article muddy cat said ...
> In article ,
> Bear gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article muddy cat said ...
>>> In article ,
>>> Bear gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> In article muddy cat said ...
>>>>> Our favorite Dim Sum restaurant is boarded up. Why? because the fucking
>>>>> city of sunnyvale[1] wants to redevelop the downtown area.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] bastards, the lot of 'em.
>>>>
>>>> Surely, if it already has a dim sum restaurant in it, the area is fully
>>>> developed as it is?
>>>
>>> You are overlooking the 're' bit before development. It was a bunch of
>>> 'old' buildings. The city wants 'new' buildings that look cute and will
>>> attract people to the downtown area. ...
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Author: zolzol Date: Nov 18, 2007 16:12
"muddy cat" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:muddydotcat-B51C32.15303418112007@news.individual.net...> In article ,
> Bear gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article muddy cat said ...
>>> Our favorite Dim Sum restaurant is boarded up. Why? because the fucking
>>> city of sunnyvale[1] wants to redevelop the downtown area.
>>>
>>> [1] bastards, the lot of 'em.
>>
>> Surely, if it already has a dim sum restaurant in it, the area is fully
>> developed as it is?
>
> You are overlooking the 're' bit before development. It was a bunch of
> 'old' buildings. The city wants 'new' buildings that look cute and will
> attract people to the downtown area.
>
that's kind of strange. downtown here is mostly old buildings with the
occasional "modern" building here and there. people come to our downtown ...
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Author: BearBear Date: Nov 18, 2007 16:18
In article muddy cat said ...
> In article ,
> Bear gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So, it'll become just another mall?
>
> There was a largeish two story mall in the middle of town. It went tits
> up over 5 years ago and has been vacant except for a Macy's and Target
> at opposite ends of the mall. Next to this was a one story mall of
> little shops and restraunts. So they tore everything down except for the
> Macy's and Target and they are going to build this in the middle of the
> two hideous bits of the old mall.
>
> This is the project.
>
> http://www.sunnyvale.ca.gov/departments/community+development/downtown+de
> velopment
*snort*
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Author: Summer WindSummer Wind Date: Nov 18, 2007 17:50
"zol" ne.rr.beepbeep.com> wrote in message
news:4740d4d5$0$32480$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...>>
> that's kind of strange. downtown here is mostly old buildings with the
> occasional "modern" building here and there. people come to our downtown
> because of the old buildings. oldest one was built in 1785, newest one
> was built in 1986. one of my favorite restaurants is in a building built
> in 1866, my apartment is in a building that was built in 1877, and i work
> in a building that was built in 1891.
>
My shop was built in the late 19th century and one nearby in the late 18th
century, and this is the Midwest. One of the historic buildings in town was
once a well-regarded cathouse. It's now a respectable, as far as anyone
knows, bed and breakfast. The local joke is that it's always been a place
where you could find comfort, of one sort or another, in bed. The
historical marker on the building doesn't delve into its nefarious past.
SW
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Author: Anthony ColemanAnthony Coleman Date: Nov 19, 2007 02:06
On 18 Nov, 23:34, Bear gmail.com> wrote:> In article muddy cat said ...
>
>> In article ,
>> Bear gmail.com> wrote:>
>>> In article muddy cat said ...
>>>> Our favorite Dim Sum restaurant is boarded up. Why? because the fucking
>>>> city of sunnyvale[1] wants to redevelop the downtown area.
>
>>>> [1] bastards, the lot of 'em.
>
>>> Surely, if it already has a dim sum restaurant in it, the area is fully
>>> developed as it is?
>
>> You are overlooking the 're' bit before development. It was a bunch of
>> 'old' buildings. The city wants 'new' buildings that look cute and will
>> attract people to the downtown area.
>
> But old buildings are nicer. ...
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Author: David CantrellDavid Cantrell Date: Nov 20, 2007 04:01
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 12:18:45AM -0000, Bear wrote:
> Seriously though, when will town planning types catch on to the fact
> that, if people don't have good reasons to go to a place, bunging a few
> new buildings up won't help.
Unfortunately, it does. Lots of dreadful proles go to Bluewater, for
example. 27 million of them a year. It is apparently so popular that
*coach parties* go there.
--
David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic
Languages for which ISO-Latin-$n is not necessary, #1 in a series:
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Author: BearBear Date: Nov 20, 2007 04:15
In article David Cantrell said ...
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 12:18:45AM -0000, Bear wrote:
>
>> Seriously though, when will town planning types catch on to the fact
>> that, if people don't have good reasons to go to a place, bunging a few
>> new buildings up won't help.
>
> Unfortunately, it does. Lots of dreadful proles go to Bluewater, for
> example. 27 million of them a year. It is apparently so popular that
> *coach parties* go there.
Bluewater is a brownfield site, specifically designed as a shopping
centre. What we were talking about was the revamping of an existing
town or city.
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Author: BearBear Date: Nov 21, 2007 03:29
In article muddy cat said ...
> In article ,
> Bear gmail.com> wrote:> Oddly enough (or not), right next to all this redevelopment is a street
> called Murphy Avenue. It was full of empty storefronts and a few bars.
> Someone bought one of the vacant shops, fixed it up and it flourished.
> After a year or so the street changed from a place you wouldn't go on a
> bet to a vibrant part of town full of places to eat and two irish
> Pubs[1]. This happened spontaneously.
>
> I think the city council wants to make something similar happen to a
> broader area. I believe it is doomed to failure given other projects in
> the area that people tried to make work.
IME it's best if business handles the business end of things, leaving
local government to make infrastructure changes. Where it all goes
shit-shaped is when local government think that, by building a load of
business space, they'll automatically encourage business.
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