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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jim07D7
Date: May 12, 2007 05:25

...I have an intellectual curiosity in the decidability of propositions, in what makes a proposition undecidable, and whether it is any more rational to be agnostic about such propositions, than to believe them true or false. ... -- even the agnostic position -- for demonstrably undecidable propositions. Instead, "no position at all, not even agnostic" seems appropriate. ...
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jim07D7
Date: May 11, 2007 11:09

...There is a related question, Can the proposition, "God is unknowable" be defended? If ...exclusive of things which are not valid propositions (unsing nonsense undefined terms), or are paradoxes...Halting Problem is an example of an undecidable proposition. Here's a starting point if... to arrive at a reasoned conclusion that the proposition "god exists" is undecidable for all god-concepts....
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jeckyl
Date: May 11, 2007 08:52

... Good question.There is a related question, Can the proposition, "God is unknowable" be defended? If something is ...course, be exclusive of things which are not valid propositions (unsing nonsense undefined terms), or are paradoxes etc The Halting Problem is an example of an undecidable proposition. Here's a starting point if you are interested. http://www.daviddarling.info/...
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jim07D7
Date: May 11, 2007 08:23

...I have an intellectual curiosity in the decidability of propositions, in what makes a proposition undecidable, and whether it is any more rational to be agnostic about such propositions, than to believe them true or false. ... -- even the agnostic position -- for demonstrably undecidable propositions. Instead, "no position at all, not even agnostic" seems appropriate. ...
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jim07D7
Date: May 11, 2007 08:19

...>> Good question.There is a related question, Can the proposition, "God is unknowable" be defended? If something is ..., be exclusive of things which are not valid propositions (unsing nonsense undefined terms), or are paradoxes etc The Halting Problem is an example of an undecidable proposition. Here's a starting point if you are interested. http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/...
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jeckyl
Date: May 10, 2007 17:01

...> I have an intellectual curiosity in the decidability of propositions, in what makes a proposition undecidable, and whether it is any more rational to be agnostic about such propositions, than to believe them true or false. I ... -- even the agnostic position -- for demonstrably undecidable propositions. Instead, "no position at all, not even agnostic" seems appropriate. The ...
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jim07D7
Date: May 10, 2007 15:27

... can meaningfully apply to god-propositions. I have an intellectual curiosity ... in what makes a proposition undecidable, and whether it is any ... to be agnostic about such propositions, than to believe them true ...the agnostic position -- for demonstrably undecidable propositions. Instead, "no position at...a related question, Can the proposition, "God is unknowable" be defended...
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Author: _ Prof. Jonez _
Date: May 10, 2007 15:14

... can meaningfully apply to god-propositions. I have an intellectual curiosity ... in what makes a proposition undecidable, and whether it is any ... to be agnostic about such propositions, than to believe them true ... the agnostic position -- for demonstrably undecidable propositions. Instead, "no position at ...Can you demonstrate the propositions are undecidable without gnosis of those ...
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Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jim07D7
Date: May 10, 2007 15:06

...it can meaningfully apply to god-propositions. I have an intellectual curiosity in..., in what makes a proposition undecidable, and whether it is any ... to be agnostic about such propositions, than to believe them true ... the agnostic position -- for demonstrably undecidable propositions. Instead, "no position at ... related question is, "Can a demonstrably undecidable proposition be an important ...
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Re: Undecideable Propositions (was: Re: Turning around in neighbor's driveway)     

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Author: Jeckyl
Date: May 12, 2007 05:25

...afaiac. That's the point .. one needs to define what it means for something to be a god. If that is your defintion, that's fine. "You" know what you mean, but "we" don't know. It's something each person has to work out for themselves. Yes And your working it out as undecidable for you at present, is not something I can argue against as "wrong" for you. Yes.
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