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Re: The Clay Ballerina     

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Author: herbzet
Date: Sep 18, 2008 16:34

... the representational information structures of "ballerina" and "figure" are not on ... observers brains. Thus only a clay object is on the table.... consider any attributes of that clay object as separate objects. But ... between the table, and the clay, is yet another representation you ...different than calling it a "clay ballerina" ... <snip discussion> Very good...
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Author: A Situation
Date: Sep 18, 2008 15:10

.... Of course there was no ballerina, but a figure one might call ...But the representational information structures of "ballerina" and "figure" are not on the...not consider any attributes of that clay object as separate objects. But the... between the table, and the clay, is yet another representation you ...no different than calling it a "clay ballerina". There is physical stuff ...
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The Clay Ballerina     

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Author: s.j.lagoe
Date: Sep 18, 2008 04:57

... of it may be. Sigmund. ---------------------------- The Clay Ballerina ---------------------------- A and B are ...prove it. A quickly picks up clay, rolls into ball, and throws ... has been destroyed, while the clay remains? B) Well, yes, clearly.... there... A) And that the clay and statue are therefore distinct ... that were overlapping on that ballerina shaped area of space seems ...
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Author: Josip Almasi
Date: Sep 18, 2008 23:11

... statue that's properties have changed. There is nothing special about the clays objecthood compared to the figures objecthood - they are both valid things ... both 'exist' - in our minds! Phisically speaking, it's just clay. It's subject who sees the statue. So it's class ClayStatue extends Clay implements Statue;) Seriously, don't forget that 'objecthood' implies subject. Regards...
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Author: herbzet
Date: Sep 18, 2008 21:06

...>> > Extensions are pointing to flaws. Like JJ said, it was clay all the time, but it's changing properties (attributes). ... of course it is the statue that's properties have changed. There is nothing special about the clays objecthood compared to the figures objecthood - they are both valid things right, and the both "...
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Author: Keynes
Date: Sep 18, 2008 20:43

.... Extensions are pointing to flaws. Like JJ said, it was clay all the time, but it's changing properties (attributes). Sure, but a ... of course it is the statue that's properties have changed. There is nothing special about the clays objecthood compared to the figures objecthood - they are both valid things right, and the both "...
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Author: herbzet
Date: Sep 18, 2008 20:39

.... Extensions are pointing to flaws. Like JJ said, it was clay all the time, but it's changing properties (attributes). Sure, but a...Then of course it is the statue that's properties have changed. There is nothing special about the clays objecthood compared to the figures objecthood - they are both valid things right, and the both "exist"?...
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Author: Keynes
Date: Sep 18, 2008 20:27

... be. Sigmund. Extensions are pointing to flaws. Like JJ said, it was clay all the time, but it's changing properties (attributes). Sure, but a statue can... of course it is the statue that's properties have changed. There is nothing special about the clays objecthood compared to the figures objecthood - they are both valid things right, and the both "exist...
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Author: herbzet
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:44

... at the end, thus: A) No I'm not. I've just pointed out that you were mistaken to _only_ recognize one. But notice how quickly you changed to another when I rolled the clay up! You did it with incredible flexibility and speed. B) But, look, your logic would mean that if noone is there to impose that context, well... then there wouldn't be a thing ...
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Author: Wolf Kirchmeir
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:25

... appears at the end, thus: A) No I'm not. I've just pointed out that you were mistaken to _only_ recognize one. But notice how quickly you changed to another when I rolled the clay up! You did it with incredible flexibility and speed. B) But, look, your logic would mean that if noone is there to impose that context, well... then there wouldn't be a thing there at ...
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