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Re: Thank you First, for nearly getting me killed last night.     

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Author: notbresson
Date: Oct 10, 2006 06:00

... discouragement. These guys are very brave when they are in the ascendant, but put 'em down and they stay down. Totally agree. That's how they have been dealt with at least for the last few enerations - until recently. Lets reclaim publicly used space for the vast majority of ordinary decent people to come and go as they please without running the gauntlet of the yobs.
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Author: Roger R
Date: Oct 10, 2006 03:43

... clothed official require attendance of uniformed support if they are not to be seen as just another passenger who 'is up for it/wants some of it' (violence). Also plain clothed security would tend to allow incidents to develop and then require additional uniformed intervention, whereas the same official in uniform might prevent the incident starting in the first place. Roger R
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Author: Chris Johns
Date: Oct 10, 2006 03:20

...achieved much. Why did you choose that course of action? If the woman involved was the child's mother, I doubt it was the first or will be the last time that the child had witnessed such actions or behaviour. So, another generations' worth of this sort of behaviour to look forward to. --...
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Author: Chris Tolley
Date: Oct 9, 2006 03:55

... many years, encountered anything I'd think to be remotely threatening on a late-night train. I've seen drunk people, silliness, high spirits and such, but never anything seriously threatening. Thankfully rare, but my tally is two incidents - one in the 70's when I was the target of unwanted attention (and actually found the BTP rather intimidating as well on that occasion), and the ...
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Author: SamB
Date: Oct 8, 2006 14:32

When returning to London from Peterborough, on a Saturday night last month, on arriving at Peterborough station, it was swarming with police who were detaining several men, who had presumably been causing problems on the incoming train. Said train was sat on the platform in darkness, with no indications on screens, and no staff seeming to know whether it was going to go to London or not. In ...
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Author: Colin Rosenstiel
Date: Oct 8, 2006 11:32

..., and security guards were employed by WAGN on late night trains (and were allegedly withdrawn by FCC, but it's always possible they've reinstated them). I've already reported here that First claimed to have kept the guards by deploying their own staff when they took over the franchise. The previous guard suppliers lost their contract. Do keep up! -- Colin Rosenstiel
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Author: Walter Mann
Date: Oct 8, 2006 10:41

... to go next week to make a full statement, confirmed the two people would have been security guards (she mentioned the name of the company, but I don't remember it) on contract with First Capital Connect. In all honesty, while this was obviously a very unpleasant journey, the fact that the train carried two security guards is, to me, rather reassuring. I'd prefer to have two trained ...
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Author: Roland Perry
Date: Oct 8, 2006 09:11

... I wonder what the guards are employed for. Wouldn't they have been more use patrolling the train (and checking tickets if trained to do so) rather than just waiting for trouble? They were in the first class compartment at the end of the train (I'd seen them come on when we left Kings Cross, and they were with a couple of other people - possibly guards too, or just mates). They ...
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Author: jonmorris
Date: Oct 8, 2006 08:54

... I wonder what the guards are employed for. Wouldn't they have been more use patrolling the train (and checking tickets if trained to do so) rather than just waiting for trouble? They were in the first class compartment at the end of the train (I'd seen them come on when we left Kings Cross, and they were with a couple of other people - possibly guards too, or just mates). They weren't...
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Author: Peter Lawrence
Date: Oct 8, 2006 08:47

... to go next week to make a full statement, confirmed the two people would have been security guards (she mentioned the name of the company, but I don't remember it) on contract with First Capital Connect. I wonder what the guards are employed for. Wouldn't they have been more use patrolling the train (and checking tickets if trained to do so) rather than just waiting for trouble? --...
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